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04-16-2003, 06:30 PM
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12,500 on a 12 x 8 three bladed prop from a K&B 61!!???
Model Airplane News just published figures on 10 current 60's, and the best they could get on a two bladed 12 x 8 was 10,950. Most were 10,500 or less. Something is amiss somewhere. Is this a reworked Lee special on a tuned pipe with high nitro or something?
12,500 on a 12 x 8 three bladed prop from a K&B 61!!???
Model Airplane News just published figures on 10 current 60's, and the best they could get on a two bladed 12 x 8 was 10,950. Most were 10,500 or less. Something is amiss somewhere. Is this a reworked Lee special on a tuned pipe with high nitro or something?
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Gentlemen:
The RPM on the K&B with the 12x8 3 blade is interpolated from an in air speed of 85 mph.
If we allow 90% prop efficiency (10% slip) an 8" pitch runs right at 12500 rpm.
More I cannot say.
Bill.
The RPM on the K&B with the 12x8 3 blade is interpolated from an in air speed of 85 mph.
If we allow 90% prop efficiency (10% slip) an 8" pitch runs right at 12500 rpm.
More I cannot say.
Bill.
04-16-2003, 06:47 PM
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looks like morrise will release VQ P-38 Lightning ARF soon!
O.K.
The BIG question:
Now that some of you have the planes, are they HONESTLY worth the $900.00??
The BIG question:
Now that some of you have the planes, are they HONESTLY worth the $900.00??
04-16-2003, 07:09 PM
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p-38 just in
I just got mine in.
It's worth 900 bucks to me.
Wings and nacelles are all wood(the entire plane is wood except noted below).
Built up horiz. & vertical stabs and all wood.
Center pod, cowling, turbo charge covers, door covers are fiberglass.
Covering has detail lines drawn on.
cowling has panel lines built in.
spinners are made for 3-blade props(good).
p-38's have 50's 'bra' type style spinners, which these are.
Recommended engine is 40-46 2 stroke:
I'm using the OS .91's with 14/7 3-blade props.
Will have to buy hinges for doors: will get the sonic tronic ones unless someone has a betty idea.
Wing has fowler flaps: they used ply for the guides with a fancy mechanism for having them slide out and down.
They could probably make a fortune just selling those.
Cooooooooooool.
Have to use retract servos to get the movement needed to operate them.
The servos go inside the wing so no rods are protruding for the fowler flaps.
The center wing section has 2 more fowler flaps(total 4).
I think this baby will have about 12 servos when she's ready.
I'll need those 91's to get her off the ground.
2 tone green; top is OD and bottom is light green.
They weathered the tops of the wings(nice touch).
Spring air retracts with oleo's not ready yet: paid for and will ship when ready.
Comes with one pilot dude.
82" wingspan, 1.75 scale.
It's worth 900 bucks to me.
Wings and nacelles are all wood(the entire plane is wood except noted below).
Built up horiz. & vertical stabs and all wood.
Center pod, cowling, turbo charge covers, door covers are fiberglass.
Covering has detail lines drawn on.
cowling has panel lines built in.
spinners are made for 3-blade props(good).
p-38's have 50's 'bra' type style spinners, which these are.
Recommended engine is 40-46 2 stroke:
I'm using the OS .91's with 14/7 3-blade props.
Will have to buy hinges for doors: will get the sonic tronic ones unless someone has a betty idea.
Wing has fowler flaps: they used ply for the guides with a fancy mechanism for having them slide out and down.
They could probably make a fortune just selling those.
Cooooooooooool.
Have to use retract servos to get the movement needed to operate them.
The servos go inside the wing so no rods are protruding for the fowler flaps.
The center wing section has 2 more fowler flaps(total 4).
I think this baby will have about 12 servos when she's ready.
I'll need those 91's to get her off the ground.
2 tone green; top is OD and bottom is light green.
They weathered the tops of the wings(nice touch).
Spring air retracts with oleo's not ready yet: paid for and will ship when ready.
Comes with one pilot dude.
82" wingspan, 1.75 scale.
04-16-2003, 10:49 PM
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P-51B
The plane in question cost me only $818.50 shipped, not $900.00.
I opted to hold off on the gear ($150.00) at this time to wait for feedback and besides, their not ready yet. I have a set of 202 HD but don't know if they would be big enough.
Dose anyone know if 403 gear would be too big?
I opted to hold off on the gear ($150.00) at this time to wait for feedback and besides, their not ready yet. I have a set of 202 HD but don't know if they would be big enough.
Dose anyone know if 403 gear would be too big?
04-16-2003, 10:59 PM
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We can't say whether it's worth $900 till we build it and fly it, obviously, but.......
How does it compare to, say, the $180 World Models P-51 ARF that I built in 6 hours and have flown the daylights out of for the last year?
The kit looks and feels good. I would say that at $400 it would be a steal, at $600 a fair price, but only worth $900 if it proves to be durable and flightworthy enough to last through many flights over more than one season.
$900 is just a lot of green, unless one is kinda nuts about P-38's. Equip this thing with high-end engines and radio componentry and that'll easily double.
mt
How does it compare to, say, the $180 World Models P-51 ARF that I built in 6 hours and have flown the daylights out of for the last year?
The kit looks and feels good. I would say that at $400 it would be a steal, at $600 a fair price, but only worth $900 if it proves to be durable and flightworthy enough to last through many flights over more than one season.
$900 is just a lot of green, unless one is kinda nuts about P-38's. Equip this thing with high-end engines and radio componentry and that'll easily double.
mt
04-17-2003, 01:09 AM
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Morris P-38
"unless one is kinda nuts about P-38's."
Did someone call???
This is my third current P-38 and fifth of the model.
How many of you have actually build one of these?
It took me and son two hours to set up, with three incidence meters, just to glue the two booms to the center section, and horizontal tail section of the Areotech quick build model. No, I am not a builder or scale nut at all, but wanted it to fly right.
If I can stay home, will let you know as I get along with it.
High end radio...uh plan on Futaba 9c, two gyros, 12 servos..so far, one mile of extensions and couplers, PCM receiver, and battery...This I know of at this point from past experience...but nothing looks like one in the air!!!!!!!!!!
I needed it!!!!!!!
Twinman
Told you twins make you crazy!!!!!!!!!
OH, Yeah, to Carlos Murphy, If not going with the retracts, would suggest look at wound spring type gear for the mains also. Hide the wound spring in the boom. The prototype weighs 16 pounds, and these planes have high wing loading, which means fast and, if not careful, hard type landings. The spring saves the main structures. I did this on the Wing Mfg and Aerotech and was glad I did several times.
Good Luck
Did someone call???
This is my third current P-38 and fifth of the model.
How many of you have actually build one of these?
It took me and son two hours to set up, with three incidence meters, just to glue the two booms to the center section, and horizontal tail section of the Areotech quick build model. No, I am not a builder or scale nut at all, but wanted it to fly right.
If I can stay home, will let you know as I get along with it.
High end radio...uh plan on Futaba 9c, two gyros, 12 servos..so far, one mile of extensions and couplers, PCM receiver, and battery...This I know of at this point from past experience...but nothing looks like one in the air!!!!!!!!!!
I needed it!!!!!!!
Twinman
Told you twins make you crazy!!!!!!!!!
OH, Yeah, to Carlos Murphy, If not going with the retracts, would suggest look at wound spring type gear for the mains also. Hide the wound spring in the boom. The prototype weighs 16 pounds, and these planes have high wing loading, which means fast and, if not careful, hard type landings. The spring saves the main structures. I did this on the Wing Mfg and Aerotech and was glad I did several times.
Good Luck
04-17-2003, 10:47 AM
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Re: Morris P-38
Originally posted by twinman
"unless one is kinda nuts about P-38's."
Did someone call???
"unless one is kinda nuts about P-38's."
Did someone call???
He, He, He...I needed a good chuckle!
04-17-2003, 12:28 PM
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looks like morrise will release VQ P-38 Lightning ARF soon!
Just received my OD P38 & all I can say is WOW!! Really looks nice. I'm thinking about using OS 91 FS. What do you guys think about that engine combination? The box says .46 2S or .70 FS. I think it'll be awhile before I can get all those servos, ect. By the way sould those be high torque, high speed or what? I guess I'll wait to hear from you all. The cost was $799.99 + $18.50 for shipping. The retracts are $149.95 which weren't shipped yet.
04-17-2003, 02:48 PM
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I just received my plane last night and was very excited opening the box. It was packaged very well to inhibit damage. It only had one rudder hinge broken off. My excitement turned to dismay when i viewed the wings. They were covered with light colored blotches the color of the underside of the wing. I thought the paint was defective! The spinners are very close to scale three blade type, but the color doesn't match the rudders. After sending pictures to Debbie at Morris she responded the the blotches are weathering! Non of this was shown on the website pictures from both Morris or VQ. I am disappointed that I was not allowed to make my own decision about weathering!
The flaps seem to work well as do the ailerons. The cowls and all other fibreglass is nice. I don't think the plane is worth the $799
but would be more in line at $599.
Keithw
The flaps seem to work well as do the ailerons. The cowls and all other fibreglass is nice. I don't think the plane is worth the $799
but would be more in line at $599.
Keithw
04-17-2003, 03:26 PM
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fowler flaps
I started reading the assembly manual.
Picture 5 shows the flap linkage: one retract
servo for the right and left set of flaps.
It appears that the wing tip flap pushrod will\
have to be connected each time you fly: assuming that you keep the nacelles and center wing as one piece(which the manual appears to imply and seems logical). That's going to be difficult to connect
the flap pushrod from the wing tip to the flap
servo in the center wing since the left/right 'fuselage-top-shield'(pic 29)covers this part of the fuse. Taking off the 'top shield' would be a lot of work. It appears that it would be best to replace the 'connecting rod' (pic 5) with another servo.
Sounds like a question for twinman.
Picture 5 shows the flap linkage: one retract
servo for the right and left set of flaps.
It appears that the wing tip flap pushrod will\
have to be connected each time you fly: assuming that you keep the nacelles and center wing as one piece(which the manual appears to imply and seems logical). That's going to be difficult to connect
the flap pushrod from the wing tip to the flap
servo in the center wing since the left/right 'fuselage-top-shield'(pic 29)covers this part of the fuse. Taking off the 'top shield' would be a lot of work. It appears that it would be best to replace the 'connecting rod' (pic 5) with another servo.
Sounds like a question for twinman.
04-17-2003, 09:54 PM
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To Carlos Murphy
Spring air is the sole supplier, that I know of, for the VQ P-38 of Morris Hobbies . I called them direct today and they know exactly what size and design as they are custom for this plane. Naturally, I am pushing for delivery.( Hey, I called first) I think Spring Air, said he is making around 100 units.
Spring air is the sole supplier, that I know of, for the VQ P-38 of Morris Hobbies . I called them direct today and they know exactly what size and design as they are custom for this plane. Naturally, I am pushing for delivery.( Hey, I called first) I think Spring Air, said he is making around 100 units.
04-18-2003, 12:45 AM
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looks like morrise will release VQ P-38 Lightning ARF soon!
Got mine last night WOW i am in love!!! I ordered the silver one Charles Macdonald's putt putt maru.i am going with robart 500 srs retracts because because i hate spring air retracts.i am going to use 2-ys 63s.wow those fowler flaps are great!am going to paint the plastic parts silver.going to use robart #563rs-nose,#553rs-mains,#662r-nose strut,#660-main struts.yes i know it is all expensive.but i am a very slow builder, it takes me forever to Finnish anything,so it is worth it to me.
04-18-2003, 02:34 AM
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I really never dug into the box yesterday as I was waiting for my son and I was disappointed with the weathering on the wing panels (OD version). I guess the rest of the aircraft didn't show wear in use as the cowls, booms & tailfeathers look factory fresh. I will try to cover their weathering job with od paint on the entire plane to give it a more realistic look. Really a bumb move on VQ's part. Hopefully Morris can provide matching paint!!!
04-18-2003, 12:29 PM
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Sent an email to Morris Hobbies and received a detailed response that was as prompt as I've ever seen. Mr. kozak supplied some very helpful & informative information as to the reason for the weathering on the wings. I would also like all to know that gear door hinges and springs will be made available soon which should be of great help. I commend Morris Hobbies & Mr. Kozak for a fine product & a reasonable price when you see uncomplicated Caps & Edges going for similar prices.
04-18-2003, 05:50 PM
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looks like morrise will release VQ P-38 Lightning ARF soon!
got mine today Putt Putt Maru!
nice stuff, I have one cracked glass piece, will contact
Morris about replacement? Also interested in the
hinges as well?
Todd
nice stuff, I have one cracked glass piece, will contact
Morris about replacement? Also interested in the
hinges as well?
Todd
04-18-2003, 05:56 PM
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Re: Mr Kozak
Originally posted by kram
What did Mr Kozak say about availability of the retract door hinges, springs, etc.?
mt
What did Mr Kozak say about availability of the retract door hinges, springs, etc.?
mt
Now I am somewhat relieved I waited.
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04-19-2003, 10:07 AM
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I was advised that the retracts & gear door hinges & springs will be available next week. They are also working on an armerment package with bombs, rockets machine guns & drop tanks. I would guess the armerment package will be at extra charge!! I do ell the machine guns should have been included. Those flaps really work well, smooth, good engineering. The flap bays have also been painted the same color as the underside, OD version. I also had one fiberglass wing cover cracked & the other dented. I used my heat gun & removed the dent without any problem. See their web site about the P40 cowl repair for distorted fiberglass parts.
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looks like morrise will release VQ P-38 Lightning ARF soon!
Got my Putt Putt Maru last Thursday... Anyone have any item damaged from shipping??? One of my tail boom's was cracked near the verticle stab. Debbie and Morris Hobbies sent out a replacement for me on Friday. I also just noticed that one of the ailerons looks warped. Other than that, the plane looks great!!! This is definately not a plane for a novice builder. The instructions IMHO suck. Kyosho and World Models instructions for their ARFs have broken english but at least their illustrations are meaningful.
Anyone have any thoughts on the flaps??? It looks like they need retract servos but what if you just want to deploy the flaps halfway??? Anyone know of a low profile servo that isn't a retract servo that can travel 180 degrees???
Also, anyone have any thoughts on routing exhust to their scale location???
Anyone have any thoughts on the flaps??? It looks like they need retract servos but what if you just want to deploy the flaps halfway??? Anyone know of a low profile servo that isn't a retract servo that can travel 180 degrees???
Also, anyone have any thoughts on routing exhust to their scale location???
04-20-2003, 07:04 PM
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looks like morrise will release VQ P-38 Lightning ARF soon!
Mike I've got Putt Putt also.
I do agree the manual is not so great!
I have a cracked upper glass supercharger cover.
Havent contacted Morris yet, as I purchased mine
through a LHS.
I also am missing a couple 6/40 nylon bolts for the center
wing to boom attachement. Also 2 of the slides for
the flaps where missing the lock nuts. Other than that
I have no other issues.
You are correct this aint you afternoon ARF! The only problem
I see is field setup. Unless you have a big trailer and
dont have to break down the wings you are o.k.
But take it to the field, attach aileron leads, attach bellcrank
rod for outer flaps, set screws, I mean its not ALOT of work,
but I think the biggest pain will be with the outer flaps?
As far as lo-profile servos' I havent checked yet, but in the
past I have one from Hites that should work here? I'll
check that out tomorrow, as I dont have one here.
Todd
I do agree the manual is not so great!
I have a cracked upper glass supercharger cover.
Havent contacted Morris yet, as I purchased mine
through a LHS.
I also am missing a couple 6/40 nylon bolts for the center
wing to boom attachement. Also 2 of the slides for
the flaps where missing the lock nuts. Other than that
I have no other issues.
You are correct this aint you afternoon ARF! The only problem
I see is field setup. Unless you have a big trailer and
dont have to break down the wings you are o.k.
But take it to the field, attach aileron leads, attach bellcrank
rod for outer flaps, set screws, I mean its not ALOT of work,
but I think the biggest pain will be with the outer flaps?
As far as lo-profile servos' I havent checked yet, but in the
past I have one from Hites that should work here? I'll
check that out tomorrow, as I dont have one here.
Todd
04-20-2003, 07:51 PM
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Just curious, why do you need a 180 degree servo for flaps? I am working on a G&P P38 and it will use standard servos. The flap position is a computer setup in the TX, it is assigned to a three position switch. All the way foward is flaps up, center is flaps half way, full back is full flaps.
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04-20-2003, 07:53 PM
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Could someone who has the VQ P38 post a picture of the flap mechanism that connects the outer flap to the inner? I am not pleased with the G&P method, and would like an alternative.
Vince
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04-21-2003, 02:23 AM
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Putt Putt Maru
What kind of paint are you guy's going to use on all of the glass and plastic parts that don't match the covering on this $818.50 ARF?
I've decided not to spend $600.00 on engines for this bird (Saito 100's) and go with Magnum 91's instead.
I expected the finish on this plane (with all the hype) to be better than the A-26 but it's the same, even down to the "tape" for the canopy trim. Even a World Combat plane at $79.00 comes with a painted canopy frame.
Granted, this is a unique airplane in the ARF world with it's flaps, wing and tail joiners, glass work and made for retracts features but for the money I expected better.
Still, I'll be proud of it when I bring it to the field.
How much is the ARC version anyway?
I've decided not to spend $600.00 on engines for this bird (Saito 100's) and go with Magnum 91's instead.
I expected the finish on this plane (with all the hype) to be better than the A-26 but it's the same, even down to the "tape" for the canopy trim. Even a World Combat plane at $79.00 comes with a painted canopy frame.
Granted, this is a unique airplane in the ARF world with it's flaps, wing and tail joiners, glass work and made for retracts features but for the money I expected better.
Still, I'll be proud of it when I bring it to the field.
How much is the ARC version anyway?