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Old 11-29-2006, 01:54 PM
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I think its sweet, I have one plane with a 63" ws that weighs 18lbs or so, so this will be a piece of cake.. Just learn to fly.


Vmar has had a plane with pre installed lighting for quite a while now, the A4.

Get it Ryan, you know you want it!! lol
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Old 11-29-2006, 04:17 PM
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ORIGINAL: bob1393

I thought about going the electric route also, but there is something about the sound of nitro engines that's hard for me to give up.

Bob
I thought about going the electric route also, but there is something about the sound of nitro engines that's hard for me to give up.

Well put Bob[8D]
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Old 11-29-2006, 06:36 PM
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Just learn to fly.
I guess we can't all fly as well as you can, but maybe we can learn.

I've been trying to find a twin that I can use to learn to fly the Top Flight 310. It seems like the closest thing, size wise, is the Seagull Dual Ace. The 310 is only 10% larger than the Ace, but it is 75% heavier so I would have to add some weight to the Dual Ace to make it comparable to the 310.

That's what I'll do, I'll add 7 pounds of lead to the Dual Ace and I'll learn to fly that, then I'll be ready for the 310.

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Old 11-29-2006, 09:40 PM
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I've been trying to find a twin that I can use to learn to fly the Top Flight 310. It seems like the closest thing, size wise, is the Seagull Dual Ace. The 310 is only 10% larger than the Ace, but it is 75% heavier so I would have to add some weight to the Dual Ace to make it comparable to the 310.

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The NitroPlanes 310 might be a good one to use. Don't cost a lot and it's a similar plane.
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Old 11-29-2006, 11:38 PM
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I was just looking at the KMP Tigercat numbers. Much lighter plane. Expensive, but it comes with the retracts and struts and alloy wheels. So, the cost is really about the same.
That 17 to 20lbs just don't sit right with me. I'm going to say no to the C310.
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Old 11-30-2006, 01:17 AM
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FastRichard - thanks.

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Old 11-30-2006, 01:26 AM
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Hey Bob! If you get one Ill come check it out. Also, Ive had a few saito's and every one ran like watch. good luck.
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Old 11-30-2006, 03:01 AM
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Hey Bob,

Yesturday I looked at the saito engine specs.65`s are actually heavier than the Saito`s 72`s.The Saito is a very light engine at only 470 grams.I have 2 x SAITO 40`S in my Jack Stafford Twin Commanche,nice and light at only 290grams! I think it is so important to keep engine weight down to a minimum on twins whilst still retaining sufficient power reserves.

Also maybe a consideration is the OS 70 Ultimate which is also around the same weight as the Saito 72 but also more compact than the Saito or OS 70.

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Old 11-30-2006, 08:59 AM
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Assembly manual is up on towers site now: http://manuals.hobbico.com/top/topa0910-manual.pdf
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Old 11-30-2006, 09:05 AM
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Yep, and looking at the list of stuff in the kit box, you get the following extras:

a pair of polished spinners
fixed gear legs that fit the same bolt pattern as the retracts
a pre-installed lighting system
A nice interior kit with a pilot
A fuselage stand

There's also a note about the use of the .46 engines and single engine flight.

Better read it carefully.
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Old 11-30-2006, 10:26 AM
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ORIGINAL: JohnVH
Get it Ryan, you know you want it!! lol
Don't tempt me! [:@]



On the wing loading, I have a 157" powered glider that should weigh 10 pounds when I'm done with it. Based on that, this 310 really should be coming in at 5 pounds ready to fly, according to some in this thread .
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Old 11-30-2006, 10:52 AM
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so this will be a piece of cake.. Just learn to fly
At almost 50 oz per sq ft what a silly comment. It won’t glide as well as a piano.

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Old 11-30-2006, 11:00 AM
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This is a high performance twin, not a glider. The real thing comes down pretty fast at idle as well.
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Old 11-30-2006, 12:08 PM
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Lol.... Im just saying, if you want to glide, buy a glider, if you want a cool scale twin, you may have to sacrifice something, like I said before, my jet has a 63" wingspan and is probably around 18lbs, and Im not complaining..

But FYI, it will glide better than a piano, Id bank on that.

This is fun!
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Old 11-30-2006, 12:12 PM
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This is a high performance twin, not a glider. The real thing comes down pretty fast at idle as well.
This is a model airplane. I fly model airplanes for fun. This will undoubtedly be an impressive model. But it will never be fun.

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Old 11-30-2006, 12:14 PM
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ORIGINAL: Flyfalcons

This is a high performance twin, not a glider. The real thing comes down pretty fast at idle as well.
I am a Pilot, with just a Single engine rating! In the summers when I not teaching, I work on hangars painting them and doing maintenance like roof coatings door repair ect...

So one day, I'm painting a big hangar, took me two weeks! I've got my radio on listening to tower and approach and watching planes. I hear the roar of an engine and see a 310 making what I thougt was a mid field turn out after take off! I thought that's odd! Seems a bit aggressive of a climb out! And then it happened, it stalled! tip stalled! It was an aborted landing! It hit the ground! Myself and sever other run to the wreck to assist! Luckly, the pilot got the fuel turn off and there was no fire!

Here's the report!
Probable Cause
http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/brief.asp?e...17X01151&key=1


Full Report
http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/brief2.asp?...02LA188&akey=1
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ORIGINAL: Flyfalcons

This is a high performance twin, not a glider. The real thing comes down pretty fast at idle as well.
The laws of physics and good design principles cannot be ignored or rationalized away even though it is a pretty airplane.

With an estimated relative minimum flying speed of 38 mph and a stall speed of 45 mph the glider comparison is hardly appropriate. The flight envelope will likely be tiny and inadequate for even very skilled pilots.

A more appropriate comparison would be to the heaviest warbird ever flown.

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Old 11-30-2006, 12:37 PM
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That could be, Bill. My point was to show that some people are comparing other planes with this 310 in terms of wing loading, and that just isn't the case. The real 310 has a landing speed of over 100 mph, so why are we expecting some tame trainer that looks like a 310 with this ARF? There are going to be airplanes out there that are for advanced pilots, and this very well may be one of them. Not everyone will be capable of handling this airplane comfortably, but that's okay - sacrafices are going to be made for a great looking scale twin like this one.
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ORIGINAL: JohnVH

Just learn to fly.
Haha...that's classic....
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ORIGINAL: jrf
This is a model airplane. I fly model airplanes for fun. This will undoubtedly be an impressive model. But it will never be fun.

Jim

I think it would be fun, and it would look awesome. I almost want one just because everyone is scared of it. Im sure it flies just fine. Different strokes for different folks.. Some like to fly Kadet seniors with big flaps and see how many touch and goes they can get out of a tank of fuel, some like to rip up the sky with a scale model.
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Some like to fly Kadet seniors with big flaps and see how many touch and goes they can get out of a tank of fuel, some like to rip up the sky with a scale model.
haha...I know how you like those Kadet Seniors!...[X(]
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haha...I know how you like those Kadet Seniors!...[X(]
They have too much wing loading for me........
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ORIGINAL: CollectivelySpaced
haha...I know how you like those Kadet Seniors!...[X(]
They have too much wing loading for me........
It's the best Nascar flyer out there
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The GP Seawind has a wing loading of 41oz and that thing was a very nice flying plane. I don't think 48 would be too much. As others have said, this is not a Sport Flier.
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ORIGINAL: mimoore67
Here's the report!
Probable Cause
http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/brief.asp?e...17X01151&key=1
Ah yes, the fuel system is a little different on the full scale for a few reasons, and I could see how something like that can happen. With the plane being filled to 163 gallons it looks like it didn't have the aux tank(s), which makes fuel management even more complicated.
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