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    Actually I'd just get a set of these then perform my own quality control at home.

    http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/s...28_Trojan.html

    I mean really $150 for those and with all that CNC machinery you not only can't come down on the price, but almost double it. Gessh

    I'd be willing to pay $350 for a set of Nosen 310 retracts. $450 was expensive but I'd begrudgingly pay it because of all the hours it would take to lathe and mill a set. For $775? This lathe is only $609 and with free shipping. I'd think the lathe is more complex to build than a set of tubes mounted on some hinge brackets.

    http://www.ebay.com/itm/7x14-Precisi...item4162cf1460

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    Just my opinion, but, It seems the mentality is, no one can do anything better than we can in USA. So, when a foreign market offers something that someone here is making for 20% of what someone here is selling it for, the kneejerk reaction is, I have to go up on my prices to compensate for the lose of profit caused by my customers buying the cheaper product. [&:]

    The flaw to that Ideolology is, they price themselves right out of the market. What they dont realize or get is these foreign companies will do a run of 100,000 units at a time. The guy here in the US is only making them as needed. And mostly from a work force of a couple or 3 people. You cant compete [&o] It sad but basic economics. To say we should all buy American made is a great ad campaign, but, none of us really do. We buy the cheapest we feel we can to get by. Do you buy the best beef at the store when you shop? No, you buy whats on sale or the cheaper cuts to save money. If you dont have a money flow issue, then this post is not for you LOL.

    This is just my opinion and doesnt reflect any others.

    I like the idea of just spending the money for a lathe and start making my own. Lots of suppliers out there now that sell all sizes of air cylnders. Just google industrial air cylnders. Heck, Ive been making my own large air tanks for years for basically free. Go to any of your local car shops and ask them to keep all the empty bottles of AC refridgerant. You can peel the lables off and they are exactly what every retract manufacture uses. You just have to solder an air fitting in the end. I have small ones, large ones, fat ones, skinny ones. Easy to do.

    Ok, off my soapbox.

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    RE: RE:

    Well said WBG.

    Here is a set of 310 retracs for $699. Plus they come mounted on the plane.

    http://www.ebay.com/itm/Top-Flite-Ce...item256ecc2b89

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    RE: RE:

    Well I have bit my lip long enough.. I checked the link above for those HK retracts.. great price but not in stock.. as far as buying cheaper... Zellers said it best .. the lowest price is the law... that is a competitive market place and also what protects us from gouging by the retailers.. and the best kick is that those HK retracts are very likely the same ones that another company in the USA sells for 800.00 they are just slightly different to avoid legal issues.. too bad the gov.. didn't tell the retailers to " manufacture " american.. never mind buy..just check the shoes or the pants or shirt you arewearing.. how about that receiver in your plane and the transmitter , servos, switches etc.. hell eventhe the ARF you waited solong to buy was made there.. just recently I was looking for a lipo battery ... and when I checked the shipping,, it was insane.. I later checked on a battery I had already purchased from HK that was shipped from HK... hmmm curious.. so I checked into it again.. I found the same battery a zippy 2800 from HK was 10 dollars shipping to Canada.. ok not bad.. but the same battery from the USA warehouse.. 30 dollars... for a 17 dollar battery... this ones a no brainer... guess where I bought the battery...

    Ok... so I had my turn on the soap box

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    ORIGINAL: AmishWarlord

    Hey WBG...

    http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/s...ng_Close_.html

    Retracts, FG parts, and a kit for less than the price of the retracts

    http://www.rcuniverse.com/market/item.cfm?itemID=832919
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    RE: RE:

    If anyone is interested in a set of Spring Air retracts for their Nosen 310 PM me .
    I had mounted them in my 310 then got a great deal on a set of Robarts so the Spring Air's came out.
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    RE: RE:

    what are you doing on my fourm????? don't you have one of your own?????
    what time are we flying at hatbox next sat we will be there . bringing the first load of planes down be in fayettville on fri am see you on sat.

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    RE: RE:

    What?

    It was slow so we where just talking about retracs.

    ...and how American retrac companies are killing the hobby buy raising prices up $300 on Bud Nosen 310 retracs.


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    Yeah, chill man we were just passing the time away lol. When you get with your buddies at the field, do you ONLY talk about the field? LOL Didnt see any rules when I joined that said we ONLY talk about nosen 310's what makes a forum like this great! And besides, we were talking bout the price of retracts for the Nosen 310. Dont see any problems there. Opinions were offered up on how to save money and yes, some political stuff got mixed in. Its an election year and you cant go anywheres without that being interjected into the fray. I promise I wont say anything else about the overpricing of American made products on here again

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    Hello All
    Sorry no maiden today, Very overcast But I did run both motors , The sound of two in sync is great!!!
    Also had issue with Rx. very jittery. Going to change Rx and try again.
    But I did take some Pics at the field and she looks sweet.
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    Boy she looks nice...I need to finish a couple things before I get back to mine.
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    Hi gang:

    I had my 310 assembled for a mall show that our club puts on every spring. At this point the wing has a layer of .6 oz. glass cloth applied and the retracts are in. Going to take a bit of a break, been working steady for a week and a half to get it presentable.

    Cheers, Terry.
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    Looking Good. Keep us up to date on progress. Did you put formers in Fuse?
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    ORIGINAL: Clavin01

    Terry
    Looking Good. Did you put formers in Fuse?
    Cliff

    Hi Cliff: I put a couple in so far for the front nose gear mounting and the mount at the rear spar. I have not tackled the rear section of the fuselage yet.



    Been meaning to ask the question.

    For those builders out there using the G&L glass fuselage, how many bulkheads did you install? Did you run any stringers between the bulkheads?



    Thanks, Terry.


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    ORIGINAL: AmishWarlord

    Actually I'd just get a set of these then perform my own quality control at home.

    http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/s...28_Trojan.html

    I mean really $150 for those and with all that CNC machinery you not only can't come down on the price, but almost double it. Gessh

    I'd be willing to pay $350 for a set of Nosen 310 retracts. $450 was expensive but I'd begrudgingly pay it because of all the hours it would take to lathe and mill a set. For $775? This lathe is only $609 and with free shipping. I'd think the lathe is more complex to build than a set of tubes mounted on some hinge brackets.

    http://www.ebay.com/itm/7x14-Precisi...item4162cf1460

    Wonder if anyone has got their hands on a set of these?
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    RE: RE:

    It was funny. There's a thread over in the jet forms where a guy brought up Hobby Kings retracts.
    Hobby Kings had +10 inventory on all retracts at that time.
    Most said they wouldn't trust them and that Hobby King Products are junk.
    Everything sold out a week later.
    LOL

    I'm holding out for a set of large electric retract unties to come out. After I get the lathe and mill I can make the struts.

    Money I would have spent on the 310 retracts is going to the lathe.
    Money that I would have spend on the F9F Panther retracts is going to the milling machine
    Money that I would have spent on the Ultra Sport 1000 retracts is going to a furnace .

    Then it's over for getting gouged on metal parts by the hobby companies for me.

    Here is a video of the 2010 Top Gun.
    I'm sure these models have the best gear you can buy in them.
    Look for a reacurring them in the video.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hb13Q0ZmSAQ






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    RE: RE:

    Wonder how these would work? [link]http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/uh_viewitem.asp?idproduct=18243[/link]

    I like to read the reviews that other people post who have used their products before ever considering a purchase.
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    ORIGINAL: Thisstrangeengine

    Wonder how these would work? [link]http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/uh_viewitem.asp?idproduct=18243[/link]

    I like to read the reviews that other people post who have used their products before ever considering a purchase.
    First off the angle on the nose gear isn't 90 degrees, it is in fact 105 degrees, although the Robart one listed for the airplane
    is only 100 derees, but they do have a new retracting nose unit without the strut that does the 105 degrees, secondly the nose
    strut on the Hobby King retracts is for a dual nose wheel set up, never seen on a Cessna 310 of any kind. And last but not
    least theHobby King retracts are for a 90-120 sizes model, most of the Nosen Cessna 310's will weight in the region of 28 pound
    minimum, average weight will be in the mid 30 ( 34-38#) pound mark, even with the glass fuselage sporting retracts. I beleive
    someone once told me the heaviest Bud Nosen Cessna 310 that they had ever know was at 42 pounds, with Zenoah G-38's for
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    RE: RE:

    I can build one lighter than 28 lbs. My 136" DC3 kit I put out comes in at 28lbs RTF with two 25cc gas engines.

    Choose contest grade wood and build it light Just cause its a twin dont mean you have to over engineer it. Im still going to build one this winter and I will post a build thread on how to go about doing it light

    I do agree with the angle of rotation and the dual wheel set up. Then again, anything can be modified lol.

    Ok..off to bed me goes.

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    Happy Easter All...
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    RE: RE:


    Nose Gear doors.

    Hi Gang:

    The threads a little slow these days so I figured I'd post some of my progress. I've been working on the front nose gear doors. With some careful cutting with a razor saw I was able to use the cut out to make the gear doors. I bonded some 3 mm foam to the inside and layed up three layers of .6 oz. cloth on the inside to create a foam core panel. Used the Robart hinges.

    Have not decided what to use to open and close the doors yet, but probably end up using air cylinders. Although the electric actuators from LADO look interesting.


    Cheers, Terry.
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    Nice tidy work Terry.
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    RE: RE:

    Ill cut my kit later this fall. Bout finished with the C47 build. Then my CJM Spitfire repaint and power, then I can start cutting the 310 parts.

    Nice work on the nose doors Might have to copy that on mine

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    Way to quiet around here. No news?
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