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Old 02-19-2010, 03:04 PM
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Hi I'm Chris, Iv been following this 132" buildthead on here for sometime now and find it facinating how much effort you guys put into building this scale beast. I'm an aircraft engineer in the Royal Air Force working on these things for a living so thats why I've decided to build the scale version of this aircraft. Im not quite brave enough to go for the 1/12th scale so I've opted for the 1/18th scale, 87" wingspan by Palmer Plans. My kit has already been ordered so as soon as it arrives il be making a start. I intend to include full retracts, operational flaps and cargo door with some kind of ariel drop. As im quite new to building, Ive decided to make this build electric rather than glow. (just some advice i got from other members of the club). Any advice you guys could give me would be much appriciated and i will keep you all posted on how my build goes and include plenty of pictures. likewise, if theres anything you guys need to know about the real C130 Hercules then il be glad to help out as much as i can and if u want any pictures of certain areas then that shouldn't be a problem. Thanks, Chris.



p.s, the picture below is the 87" C130, its the only image i can find of this model on the net. I've included it to hopefully get more of us attempting this build .


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Old 02-19-2010, 04:03 PM
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could someone please explain how they upload photo's because my computer is just not letting me. Thanks,  Chris.
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Old 02-20-2010, 01:24 PM
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Just a few pictures i found of the 87" C130 by Palmer Plans.
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All,

I too am building the Palmer 87" C-130. I'm blogging progress (and lessons learnt) @ http://c-130-hercules.blogspot.com

If you are looking to build this model - happy to help whereever I can. Key things to know as follows:

1. There are two (yes two) versions of the plans in circulation. How do I know this? I've actually (inadvertantly) bought both over the course of the last 5 years. The first (and more recent set) was direct from (the late) Dan Palmer himself. The second (the earlier set bought more recently) from the only licensed source of these plans today. There are fundamental (but not yet unsurmountable) issues with both sets (and yes each happen to be the same in some cases and different in others).

Based on (1) above, I'd strongly urge ANYONE looking to build this model to reigster with this particular forum as I doubt the issues are the same as for the larger or smaller varients (not that I have yet bought thoses plans) of Palmer's C-130 model.

Things you will need to address (and best done with someone who has already had the misfortune of having built the area and then had to remodel it will include:

a) Retract mechanisms - the two plans identify two different makes and models of retract mechs. Even then, the manufacturers (in this case Robart) changed part numbers and slightly modified the units. Furthermore, the fuselage construction MUST CHANGE if you are looking to build with the Robarts (or Century Jets) - each requiring different corrections (who knows, I might end up building three of these in the end to work out all the *bugs*). So, straight up - there are two different configurations for the main landing gear fuselage areas and three different retract arrangements.
b) Nose wheel - front door - this needs to open in what is a VERY tight bit of real estate. No design was EVER done for that bit (well, if it was, it wasn't documented!)
c) Nose wheel - steering - Also needs addressing.

And there will be more to come but before I finish, one last warning......

There are kit cutters out there which MAY make this whole exercise more easy (well, so I thought)... unfortunately plans I got were NOT to scale (suggest due to copying issues) and therefore the kit I got does not measure off correctly - result: A lot more time is going in to reshaping and remeasuing all the interfaces.

That said, I still look forward to continuing with my build (having moved the incomplete model from Dubai (UAE) back to Australia) and am currently working on getting my new model room ready for the 'fun to continue'.

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Hi Cameron,

Thanks very much for the input into this thread, your C130 blogging site has alot of good information i can useto get my build off to a good start. As for the plans, im not sure which ones they are until they arrive. im sure their from Precision Cut Kits. My kit is being produced by a company here in the UK. Any information you could add to this thread would be much appreciated as i am new to model building. Likewise, if theres any information you would like about the real Herc or pictures of any particular part then i would be more than happy to help you as I work on this Aircraft for a living.

Well i hope your build continues soon and i look forward to seeing your progress pictures. your information will be great help for my build and a few other people that i know are interested in this project.

Once again, Thanks very much,

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Old 02-22-2010, 04:45 PM
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Cameron,

As i have only ordered a short kit for this model and wont arrive for a few more weeks, could you please tell me some of the dimensions and thicknesses of the strip and sheet balsa the plans ask for. (For the skin of the aircraft and the fuselage trusses, etc.)

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Chris,
Great to hear from you. I won't tell you what the wood is yet as once you've got the plans we can go from there. You'll need to make a couple of early decisions to get you started. The first 'biggy' is what are you going to do for retracts. For the MAINS - There are three choices here (generically anyway) as follows:
1. Sullivan Style (as per the pictures above) - once you've got the plans, i'll elaborate (although I perosnally thing the sullivan retracts above are *heavily modified* - more on that later!)
2. Robart Retracts (I'll have to dig out the model numbers and the correspondence with Dan himself when I originally purchased my retracts (hmmm... 5 yrs ago... that email will be here somewhere!)
3. Air retracts (of the Century Jet ilk) (more too on that later...)

For the NOSE - (I'll have to get back to you.. need to go and see if there was a Sullivan option in the *first* original design).

I'd also look at getting all my wheels now (I had trouble getting the relevant Sullivans at the time).

Why do I recommend you make these decisions now? So there is nothing slowing you down when you come to build the fuselage. (I lost 4 months on build time and had to do countless rework as a result of these simply matters above).

Good luck.

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Old 02-23-2010, 01:13 PM
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Hi Cameron,

Your advice about the retracts is true, you must decide what system your going to include long before the build starts, and i have. Im not going to go for any thing you can buy for this model, i'm going to make my own screw jack system just like the real bird. I've already got a mock up of a typical screw jack operation mounted on a block of wood to give me an idea of how to control it going up and down and i've done this by taking a servo apart and using the electronics inside. when the screw jack reaches the top, two wires touch and send a signal to the servo saying its in the neutral position and so it will stop. likewise the same will happen when it reaches the bottom. This wiil give a really nice scale look to the build as undercarriage will go up slowly and together, unlike other air retracts i have seen when one side goes up at a time. The nose gear will also be operated the same way using a horizontal screw jack to push the nose gear up. As for the nose gear doors, I'm going to try and replicate the real Herc as much as i can asI work on these things every day so hopefully it shouldn't be a problem.

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Hi Cameron,

Plans have finally arrived, (9 weeks after ordering my kit) and still waiting on the kit to be finished. I was told it would be done by last Friday so im hopeing that its going to arrive early next week. Because they have sent me the plans in advance its given me the chance to go ahead and order the rest of the strip and sheet wood required to complete this build. Im not sure what edition of plans these are as you said there were two different types in circulation, but i've measured everything up and so far things look like they should fit into place as long as the parts have been cut correctly. Well the build should hopefully begin at last sometime next week so any tips before knocking the fuselage frame work together would be great. How is your build coming along, please keep us updated.



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Well its been some time since I last posted on here but I have still been workin hard on this project. I didnt actually get round to starting it till late summer because I had difficulty in getting the kit. I then decided to cancel my order for the kit and just get the plans. I decided to go ahead and have a go at cutting all the pieces myself. I have never built a model plane before, this is my first attempt, and cutting all the kitby handisa big challenge. Well after a few months work, things are coming on really well. I have taken loads of photos of the build process so below are just some of the progress so far.
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could someone please explain how they upload photo's because my computer is just not letting me. Thanks, Chris.
It's not difficult, but you do have to have a photo available to upload?

Go to "reply" At the bottom right is blue words that say, "Click here to upload images and files!"

When you "Click" on it a window opens. Click "Browse" Your PC will open up and you will have to locate your photo.

Double click on your photo. The "Browse" window will appear agan. Press "OK"

That should do it. Did I leave anything out?
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87,

I didn't read all the text in your Thread.

Did you Post photos of two different models?

Does your model have retractable gear?
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Hi Avaiojet,
Yes I have posted pictures of two different models. The pictures at the start of this thread are pictures I found on the internet of this particular scale model. Where as there are endless pictures of the 1/12 scale plane, these are all I could find of the 1/18 scale plane so I have used these to help get my build started.



My model does have retractable gear, the pictures show just the layout of the carbon fibre parts before I fitted the mechanical parts. I was planning to make these retracts with some sort of screw jack operation like the real plane but there was always something that didnt quite work properly. I decided then to build them like a few people have done on their 1/12 scale plane and now their working fine. I will post pictures shortly of the retractable gear for you to see.

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Stretch,

OK, so the photos immediately above are yours. Correct?

Please don't forget the gear photos with a good explanation. OK?
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Avaiojet,
Yes the photos immediatly above are mine, below are some more pictures of retractable main landing gear. Their not quite finished just yet, theres still a few adjustments im going to make to finalize them but they are fully working at the moment and with a servo slow fitted, they retract very scale like.
I've alsoincluded a few more pictures of the ramp and door and the centre section of the main wing dry built on the plane.
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Hello

Your build looks good, hope you finish it, I have the big brother 132 inch version and it flies great.

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Hi Henrik,
I've followed your build from the start and its what has inspired me to build my own. I've chosen to build the smaller scale version as its my first build. I just hope mine turns out as good as yours have. I've watched all your videos and it really flies well. I will keepyou all updated on how mine is coming along and will post plenty of pictures along the way.
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Below are photo's of the right handoutboard wing being built. I used a wing building jig to help me construct the wing making it easier to incorporate the 2 degree washout.
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Basic frame work of the main wing complete

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Well I've had a few problems with my main undercarriage being controlled by servos so I've finally decided to redesignthem slightlyand make the undercarriageair operated. I have made a start installing some of the components but i'm still waiting for the main air cylinders to be delivered, so that part of the build is on hold at the moment. In the mean timeI've began constructing parts of thecock pit, I've included the four HDD screens and these will be illuminatedwhich I think will look really cool whenits finished.I am currently in full time studying so things are progressing slowly as I only get chance to work on it maybe one day a week
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Old 04-30-2011, 03:28 AM
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I Magnify Work. You can get the plans.
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Old 06-19-2011, 12:33 AM
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Hi dear Stretch-87
I`m shahab and I am very interested in C-130. I followed your C-130 building progress. Its really fantastic. Please go on reporting about that.I wish the best for you and your C-130.
I will start making the same as soon as possible.

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