RE: New Twin Commanche ARF
 

I think it's supposed to be a 50th anniversary color scheme...Or is it 30? Hmmm:eek:

RE: New Twin Commanche ARF
 

The wife' not home tonight so I'v had time to make this new ARF look like its been home for some time ,well not realy but she did come into the LHS and told Gully that he was only allowed to sell me more than one aircraft. For the uniformed Gully is part of the starf of Rojs Hobbies in Melbourne. So shes in Rye tonight and I'm home with the kitchen in a mess Commanche bits every where. It looks great I have a pair of OS 55 AXs ready for the power. The only thing I will do is add 3 bladed props . My mate tells me that the full size ones dont have 3 bladed but they will look better than 2s.
Not going to do the retracts on this one as that will add to much time to the build and I know it will just sit in the unfinished pile if I go that way. Enough for now I'm back to that big box Yours Paul T

RE: New Twin Commanche ARF
 

Two down two to go

RE: New Twin Commanche ARF
 

Nice! Quad Twins...:D

RE: New Twin Commanche ARF
 

was down at the LHS the other day,and there is an artcile on this plane, in the MAN mag.....check it out.....

RE: New Twin Commanche ARF
 

Hi Huys
I'm keen on the Comanche.
How easily can it be made electric in terms of battery access , and has anyone flown one yet ?
How do they fly , and how fast do they land ?

Regards from sunny South Africa

RE: New Twin Commanche ARF
 

agrinter I'm not the right person to answer your question but it does come with extra nacelles so you can mount the motors with ease,looks good to me.
I have the answer a pair of OS 55 AXs

RE: New Twin Commanche ARF
 

What do you mean extra nacelles? Certainly you don't mean you get two right and two left nacelles do you?

RE: New Twin Commanche ARF
 

Well sj3cub you get two frames that hold the motors,when I opened the box i did spend some time thinking where the hell will these go. The major difference in the two frames is that the part that the elec motor is mounted to is moveable allowing difference in motor lengths I will go and photo them and add a photo later to this post.
Now I placed the moving plate on one back and on the other I placed it forward to show the difference that can be achieved. I hope that will make it a little clearer

RE: New Twin Commanche ARF
 

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Just wondering if any body has tried a pitts muffler on the commanche yet it would be close if I could get a smaller one.

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I find it hard to believe the no $^$%#&amp; knows where the Lipo motor batteries go, but maybe I&rsquo;m just the first one to do Electric on this plane&hellip;&hellip;because the manual does show it, and does not show much of anything for the electric option. It&rsquo;s a VERY POOR manual with LOST of errors.
Anyway I spend almost 2 hours on the phone today with Horizon Hobbies product support: they also agreed that there are numerous problems with this kit &amp; manual. Problems go like this:

1. No instructions where the Lipo battiers go or how they are mounted/installed in the fuselage.
2. No instructions/Directions that you need to add 12-18 inches of battery leads for the ESC&rsquo;s to the batteries if the batteries are mounted in the fuselage.
3. This one is REAL BS! Kit does NOT come with wheel wells tubs for the retracts in the wings, and also does not come with front nose gear doors or linkage. According to Horizon Hobbies you have to purchase Seagulls mechanical retract set to get the wheel tubs and nose gear doors, so if you purchased E-Flite electrics like I did you are SOL. They also don&rsquo;t know how to order it apparently there&rsquo;s no part number for it

Last thing that was said by Horizon was that this kit should NOT have been put out yet, and he said they he would get with a Seagull Rep and find out they had to say about it, and he said he will call me back, we will see&hellip;.VERY sorry I purchased this kit!

BTW: I just called Castle ESC they said by extending the battier leads 12-18 inches would quite likely damage or destroy an ESC because of the &ldquo;Ripple affect&rdquo; caused by going to WOT, they said for sure you would need to add a capacitor pack to stop any &ldquo;Ripple affect&rdquo;

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Slider 303 well I went and had a look at the undercarrage as I intended to use the fixed gear. Now because you need to cut the covering to install the blocks I'm now wondering how you seal the covering after they are installed .I can see that after a few flights the covering starting to flap. If the wheel wells were supplied you could seal the area up OK after installing the gear. I looked at putting the blocks in place through the ribs from out side but this looks near impossible. My thinking is get the blocks in and then seal the covering down with the heat iron then mount the gear in the normal ARF methods but the problem is getting the blocks in place with out cutting the covering in the incorrect place well looks like I gust start on the Duel Ace till we get some more builders and there way of getting round these points Yours Paul T It's still a great looking aircraft.I go and take some photos and up load so you can see what wher on about.

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Well the photos don't realy work,but (there is always a But) if you look at where I have my finger you can see the outline (look real hard) of the covering and the wood there is no way you can put that in there and do a job that will last if you intend flying it. I can see the covering just lifting about the 4 flight. Yours Paul T

RE: New Twin Commanche ARF
 

I never put a lot of stock in the instructions that are created overseas in Asia. When the model is an actual Horizon model, the instructions are typically pretty decent and well thought out, being written over here....:).

I glanced at the instructions on line (am interested in this kit)

Anything I do not like in an ARF I typically redo the way I think it should be done, anyway.

Having converted several large twin engine ARFs to electric, I think the very best way to go is to put the lipos in the nacelle where the fuel tanks would normally go. This avoids the long battery leads issue and any need for additional capacitors. You will have to neatly cut out a large acess hatch on top of the nacelle, of course and likely remove the top of the ply frame in the middle of the tank compartment. I have a very, very thin diamond coated steel cutoff wheel that cuts paper thin lines in fiberglass and plastic parts and is about the best way to get a neat result when cutting in a hatch.

Having the lipos in the nacelle would make it really easy to install and remove them while the model is sitting on the ground, upright. Once in a while, a model will need a little extra nose weight going this route, since the lipos are only slightly ahead of the CG when they are in the nacelle. (My TF B-25 ARF needed about 7 oz in the nose with 5S 5000 lipos in the nacelles, which is no big thing on a 21lb model.)

I agree that making you buy their retracts to get their doors and their retract wells and other special bits that are required for ANY retract installation is misguided. I would keep the pressure on HH to work this out, but remember, you get more flies with honey than you do with vinegar....;) It would be in HH's best interest to get those special parts from Seagull and make them available as a package, so they could sell their electric retracts for this model.

Having said that, it would not be all that hard to create the doors and retract wells yourself. I judge the wells would take about an evening or two to create out of thin balsa and/or 1/64 ply and get installed. Ditto on the nose gear doors.

This model is still on my "probably will buy" list and the issues you mention do not scare me off, at all.

Let's not forget that ARFs are built to a price point as well as to any quality standard and if we insist on perfect ARFS, we would need to be ready to pay several times the cost of this one, at the very least.

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All very good points Thomas&hellip;. I guess I&rsquo;m mostly amazed at the fact that with such a beautiful plane, that they "HH" have NO idea where the motor batteries go? To use a term my teen daughter says&hellip;.. Really! They don&rsquo;t know where the batteries go and forgot to put that in the manual or at least a photo of it Wow.

I like your idea of putting them in the nacelles looks to be plenty of room to make a nice battery tray. I guess I&rsquo;m just not confident in my abilities to make a nice clean cut and once you start it there&rsquo;s no backing out and starting over if you make a mistake .

IF I hear back from Horizon Hobbies I will post what they say these about issues, it&rsquo;s been day 1 and no response back yet, I will give them a few more days before I call them back.





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RE: New Twin Commanche ARF
 

Have purchased this kit from my LHS....Also ordered E-Flite tri-gear (Retracts) too...Did notice that no main or front nose gear liners came with the kit....The small booklet that came with the kit (Seagull Models Airplane Series 2010-2011) on page 33, shows a picture of the retracts for the kit.. The # is SEA-RE01. I called them and they didn't know what in the hell I was talking about...Also the LHS owner checked on his computer and couldn't find them on his computer...Will use Magnum 46 2 stroke engines....But before I go any further, HH better come up with some answers on this problem...If 'Slider 303' gets a reply soon, I hope you can post it...Sounds like someone screwed up on this problem....Like to say more ,but will wait until he gets a reply.............Just my two cents worth.......

RE: New Twin Commanche ARF
 

<p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 10pt"><font face="Calibri"><font size="3">Ok, after 128 minutes of being on hold with HH, they said they just got a response back from SeaGull and literarily this is what they forwarded to me from SeaGull…</font></font></p>

</p><p class="MsoListParagraphCxSpFirst" style="TEXT-INDENT: -0.25in; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt 0.5in; mso-list: l0 level1 lfo1"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: Symbol; mso-fareast-font-family: Symbol; mso-bidi-font-family: Symbol"><span style="mso-list: Ignore"><font size="3">·</font><span style="FONT: 7pt "Times New Roman"">         </span></span></span><font size="3"><font face="Calibri">“The wheel wells and gear doors are being set up, will be available in the near future” </font></font></p>

</p><p class="MsoListParagraphCxSpLast" style="TEXT-INDENT: -0.25in; MARGIN: 0in 0in 10pt 0.5in; mso-list: l0 level1 lfo1"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: Symbol; mso-fareast-font-family: Symbol; mso-bidi-font-family: Symbol"><span style="mso-list: Ignore"><font size="3">·</font><span style="FONT: 7pt "Times New Roman"">         </span></span></span><font size="3"><font face="Calibri">“Battery goes in the fuselage” </font></font></p>

</p><p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 10pt"><font size="3"><font face="Calibri">“Wheel wells and gear door are being setup” What the #^%$ does that mean! Guess it means I have to buy there retracts also to get 15 cents of stamped plastic.</font></font></p>

</p><p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 10pt"><font size="3"><font face="Calibri">“Battery goes in the fuselage” NO S@#T!! a photo or picture would be really nice, do I have to make my own battery tray? what about the <span style="LINE-HEIGHT: 115%; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri","sans-serif"; FONT-SIZE: 11pt; mso-ascii-theme-font: minor-latin; mso-fareast-font-family: Calibri; mso-fareast-theme-font: minor-latin; mso-hansi-theme-font: minor-latin; mso-bidi-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-bidi-theme-font: minor-bidi; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: EN-US; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA">Battery</span> leads i really have to add 12-18 inches of <span style="LINE-HEIGHT: 115%; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri","sans-serif"; FONT-SIZE: 11pt; mso-ascii-theme-font: minor-latin; mso-fareast-font-family: Calibri; mso-fareast-theme-font: minor-latin; mso-hansi-theme-font: minor-latin; mso-bidi-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-bidi-theme-font: minor-bidi; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: EN-US; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA">Battery</span> leads to the ESC's? those Castle 75's are $100 each!</font></font></p>

<span style="LINE-HEIGHT: 115%; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri","sans-serif"; FONT-SIZE: 11pt; mso-ascii-theme-font: minor-latin; mso-fareast-font-family: Calibri; mso-fareast-theme-font: minor-latin; mso-hansi-theme-font: minor-latin; mso-bidi-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-bidi-theme-font: minor-bidi; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: EN-US; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA">It took me a long time to save up this much $$$ I have almost a $1000 into it I just expected much better. I have Never seen an ARF that had the retract options NOT come with wheel wells/tubs that you cut out if you needed them or discard them if you went with fixed gears. Im not happy </span></p>

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RE: New Twin Commanche ARF
 

Slider303;
Thanx for the info in regards to the twin.....I have built 3 of thier models (Seagull)..they are "Pilatus PC-6 Porter, Dewoitine D.520, and a Super Tucano....The last two came with retracts and wheel well liners (Plastic)..no problem installing them....I intend to use glow engines in mine (Twin)....As for future Seagull kits,I believe I'll pass...The piper twin comanche really sucks....At the present time,can't say too many good things about the kit......I think that 'Seagull' better get there S@*^& together or they'll bite the dust................Nuff said

RE: New Twin Commanche ARF
 

Seagull's advice to put the batteries in the fuse is not well thought out, in my opinion. I would do a CG check with the batteries in the nacelles and see how it looks. If you can make CG with the batteries in the nacelles, I still would go that way. While making battery hatches on the nacelles migth be a little intimidating, it is not all that hard to do.

If they must go in the fuse, it is not a big deal to make a battery tray in the correct location to get a good CG with the batteries in place. Worst issue will be battery access in the fuse.

Seagull still thinks like a glow/gas model company for the most part and few if any of their models have well thought out instructions for electric conversions (At least the few Seagull models I have bought and converted, the Mew Gull and the Sparrowhawk among them)

RE: New Twin Commanche ARF
 

Gee, maybe a lot of their sales go to glow fliers.

RE: New Twin Commanche ARF
 

Hi, Thomas and Jimmy

I' m assembling a Comanche at this moment ...

Will be powered by a couple of OS FS A56 ( a couple of 2 Stroke 46 AX being overkill here ...)

for the retracts, I used an E-flite EFLG 430 main gear with the 411105 nose gear ( 105° aperture ...)

It has been easy to adapt the suspended genuine legs to those mechanisms ... and make aluminium honests torsion links ;)

Alain

RE: New Twin Commanche ARF
 

Alain:

Thanx for the info....I have a set of e-flite retracts and will try to see if I can make them fit the landing gear that came with the kit.....Do keeps us posted on your progress.....also enclose some pics,if possible....thanx again

RE: New Twin Commanche ARF
 

Well after making a decision no to have retracts I'v now changed my mind and are about to fit them only for one reason,The tubs for the wing are needed. Now if any body has a clue on how to replace the kit suplied struts on to the retracts I'd love to hear from you. Can they be removed.

RE: New Twin Commanche ARF
 

Looks like it's a very beautiful plane from Seagull!
This movie I found. It's an electric version and retracts are working properly.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_bFZMVskcUo
To ask a Horizon about LiPo position it's just wasting time, the staff has no even general knowledge at all. Just try to ask them - what is the difference between Oracover and Ultracote :)