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Old 08-28-2014, 06:05 PM
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Has anyone had one of these?

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Old 08-29-2014, 12:31 AM
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Must be very rare from a small start up in TX, whats in the box pray tell lol
Old 08-29-2014, 06:48 AM
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You have blasted me out of the RCU lurking black hole. I've always dreamed of a 1/2A F4!!!! More Please?! Can't wait too see! Todd
Old 08-29-2014, 02:11 PM
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I am still juiced about it. Here's the story...

I faintly remember seeing it first come out back when foamy's started to happen in the magazines. It stuck like glue to me for a long time, a 1/2A Phantom. Cox power!!! I'm big on Cox engines, ever since childhood. Man, this was my dream ship if there ever was one. I later on forgot about it knowing 1/2A was on the skids because of Cox being sold off and sold off again until they became extinct. I was just out on my own out of my parents and had no cash to spend on RC so that turned out to be just a pipe dream to own one.

I get a notification from eBay for it listed under "Plastic Scale Models - Military Airplanes" with a starting bid of $20. Three days later, I win. No snipers, no challengers, no other bidders. I'm stoked.

I've been combing the forums looking up tips and tricks how to go about finishing it with it's foam wing, etc. I want to do a really nice number on it.

I have no information about it other than what is printed on the box, but I faintly recall knowing it was a prop jet, not ducted fan. I'm not even sure about it's wingspan. It looks like a great kit though, the detailed cockpit and retracts are a great start!!!!

I'll give you pics of what was posted on the auction.



I'll post more pics when the kit gets here. This is going to be a long wait for the airplane truck to get here. I can't wait.

I'm thinking of going with a jungle paint job to have a bit of fun with the airbrush and weathering but something tells me a carrier version might be nice.

Max, I've even searched for a decent F-4 1/2A stick built or otherwise. There aren't any. My favorite jet aircraft and I can't even have a flying model of one I've always thought (except of course the bob violet type $$$)

The closest Ive come to 1/2A jets are my Berkeley Models ducted fan kits from the '50's. Sweet things they are.
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Old 08-30-2014, 11:38 AM
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Converting this over to fuel and using the fan unit as a test unit for an engine wouldn't be a bad idea. Kyosho makes some neat stuff, but all electric.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z_pPSxs3opM
Old 08-30-2014, 06:26 PM
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Quit teasing us with those little pics! Please post some detailed pics of the kit!!

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There's another showing up on eBay! This one already has Robart retracts in the box. I just looked into Robart's prices for 1/2A retracts. Looks like i'll be making my own!

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...E:B:SS:US:1123


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Old 09-13-2014, 11:29 AM
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There is one for sale on auction site !
Old 09-25-2014, 09:29 PM
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What a disappointment. Got the kit in the mail and "item did not match description." The fuselage was joined and badly distorted from overheating with resin and was full of cracks. The halves were joined mismatched enough to throw the nose off, making the engine mount crooked (i think). At least that's what the damaged TeeDee .051 crankcase was telling me. There were no instructions included to know. GRR!

I lost the bidding on the second one that came up. Disappointed but at least I got a chance to see and document one. VERY cool kit.



The wingspan is still unknown but theres a 12" ruler in the last pic. It was included in the brown paper envelope and is made out of 1/8" meat package type foam. The leading edges are vacuformed and fit up to balsa ribs with a wooden dowel for a spar, then covered with foam. it had trailing edge stock but not sure if it got glued inside the wing or used as ailerons.

Also included were a couple of really cool clear parts that fit ahead of the intake ducts that help streamline it.

To fix the plane it would be difficult to do plus I didn't have any instructions for the rest of the plane and there are a few strange looking pieces I would have no idea where they would fit or even what radio layout was intended.

The engine mount is a gem. A really nice aluminum stamping that is perfect mount. I would love to have a few.
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Old 09-26-2014, 05:29 PM
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When I was in the Air Force in the early '90's I knew a retired Colonel that had one of these new in the box, asked me did I want to buy it. I thought it was cool, but I looked in the box and thought "man I know how to build wooden airplanes!" so I passed, he also tried to sell me a HOB Focke Wulf, looking back now I should have bought them both. He had a really cool HOB P-39 that had retracts and a throttled td.051. He said he flew it in spain from the runway that way. In Mississippi all we had was a grass field, so he removed the landing gear and and the throttle servo to save weight. Couldn't take off of the grass, and he said that was all the throttle was good for, taxiing and landing, while in the air it had to fly at full throttle, so he said the throttle was more of a power on power off proposition because at anything less than full throttle the plane didn't fly well.
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I think this would build up pretty light but seeing the small remains of a TD mounted in front put both in perspective. This plane fully loaded with retracts and fuel would be something you would need a real tuner of a TD to get it hopping.

The wing materials being mostly foam and a few balsa ribs weigh nothing, only the vacuformed edges and wingtips adding most of the weight there I imagine. The fuselage is the culprit here. It's a very large seam length with quite a radius to fill up with epoxy or resin and that can add up to a lot of unneeded weight. Leaving an 1/8 of seam would probably be the best for weight and not try going for a smooth surface. Taping the seam, which is done from the inside, looks like a challenge to do nicely. This one was, but unfortunately there was the mis-match of halves and motor installed to it spoiled the job on top of the entire seam caved in from the heat of the curing of the resin.

I really like the HOB kits and own a couple of them along with an extra set of wings which you can still find. I'm sure there must be PDF files somewhere of the plans which show all the parts full scale.

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Originally Posted by jetpack View Post
Has anyone had one of these?

i have 2 of these one is the thunderbirds version and the other on is Blue. Blue Angels version
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I've never been able to visualize how a .049 engine could do a F4 Phantom justice.
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Pr11, did those fuselages come pre-glued?
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Pr11, did those fuselages come pre-glued?
Fuselages are all one piece. And wings are ready out of the box. I will try to take more pics. They are about 40 years old. I may try to convert to electric someday.
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So you bought these as used so you don't know if they came glued or not?
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Not sure if you are referring to my fuselages but I bought mine 40 years ago,new not used and the fuselage came out of the box in one piece with nothing to glue together.
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Originally Posted by Pr11 View Post
Not sure if you are referring to my fuselages but I bought mine 40 years ago,new not used and the fuselage came out of the box in one piece with nothing to glue together.
How well do they fly...?
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Originally Posted by Pr11 View Post
Not sure if you are referring to my fuselages but I bought mine 40 years ago,new not used and the fuselage came out of the box in one piece with nothing to glue together.
I bought mine as an open box off ebay advertized as unstarted and complete but when I got it, the fuse halves were glued together and it had no instructions except for how to glue the fuse together.
Well, the fuse was glued together but it was glued together mismatched along with the motor mount installed with a chewed up TD case screwed to it. I figured the original builder realized he messed up on it and quit with it.
I sent it back.

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