Skip your just throwing the usual stuff that you are so acused of in doing to newcomers for far longer than I have been posting anything and thats a while.Stuffing it down everyone is your modis operendi,the difference is that i could care less if anyone does what I do,i just enjoy my subs to bystanders awes

If you would plaese read the educated folks that have the facts about dive plains I have posted  you might be inlighted,dive plians on the bow are the first control serface to affect the oncoming water flow  water ,yes or no,even a new comer can see that why can't you,sub builders would not wast a dime to make them that way if it was not effective,modern subs have them why don't you see that fact.Take them off your sub and get back to us with some expert advise.

Sail plains on the Albacore was a mistake ,I meant the other sub.

Could you show us how many modern subs have iether bow or sail plains,compared to those that do not?

Plo9 your cucumber sub has the right fin area for great manuevering,your getting the idea!Now put a radio in it and drive and your cruiseing!

lets be nice now we might get a bow stuck in the mud.

Dave