People can ***** about ARF's "ruining the hobby" all they want, but if it weren't for ARFs, a lot fewer people would be in the hobby. Fewer people mean higher prices so that few "real modelers" would be able to afford the limited selection of stuff that was still in production. ARFs provide an economy of scale (more folks flying) that keep this hobby affordable for all of us. There may not be as many "real modelers" at the field as some of us would like to see, but we ALL benefit from lower prices. I also fly turbines, so I know all about what happens to prices when only a relatively small number of people participate.