Maybe I have a lot more
real experience than most on the subject. I am just offering that experience as a starting point for open minded people to try out. It certainly will do no harm and they may actually learn something.
We hear plenty from you , with your lack of same.
So what?
Dave, why not just come out and call me a liar. Proof is often just wasted on you anyhow, You too often just double down, change the subject or walk away when the proof is in front of you. On rare occasions, you may "admit" but only after doing the damage and spouting off.