Thanks. That pretty much summarises ( Aust. spelling ) exactly what I have been reading over the last day or so. I have been doing the bank and yank for a long time on the sim. but have only just heard of that term. And it seems it is quite aircraft dependent as you say because turning the Nextstar ( high wing trainer ) seems very different to turning the Extra 300. I have tried adding a bit of rudder in the turns ( I'm focusing on the Nextstar due to my beginner status ). It's not easy to co-ordinate with an additional control input ! Thank goodness for sims.