want 3D, dont want too spend alot of money, build a spa3d they are VERY stable almost indestroyble 3ds, very good 3d learner it hovers extremly well and harriers are very nice with little or no wing rock. flats spins are averge and with a strong .46 like a magnum XLS or OS FX it is a fun plane. and the price is unbeatble. check out the website www.spadtothebone.com