well ended up buying form a local guy in my club who is retired from the hobby and cant fly anymore. He had a SE which he agve to me for $35 and he also gave me a phateon II for $45 so i said yah!! ill take both of em the phateon II *Balsa USA* looks a little more complicated but im sure ill get it together im going to build the SE first just ahve to clean the damn bench first