sorry darin, i live in australia and have no steady income as yet, what with being 15. i will be slowly building up to flying one. dad has one that is not yet built, but i am reluctant to try anything to crazy with a plane that isn';t mine. anyway thanks for the help guys some useful tips. are they hard to build, (ie if you mess it up do you know, or is it possible to have it look right, but snap in the middle of some tumbling manouver due to dodgy workmanship?)