thanks Bill, i appriciate the time and effort in your answer, i will study this and master it! i am pretty efficient at flying and this is just what the doctor ordered(need to practice rudder anyway). i have been doing the crab already even though i didnt know what it was called,i am the only one who flys in my town of 1500 people and i learned all here on rc universe, so you guys are doing a great job, ive been at it for 16 mos now and really feel i fly pretty well and love this hobby, just wish i had some other people to fly with.
Thanks