Thank You I will stick with that,on the rudder and elevator they want me to sand the whole thing to a tri shape but I can never get that right can I just leave it flat and cut some lightening holes in them? I figure it is a trainer and would not really matter.Just trying to get that wide and big of a surface to a tri shape is tuff.I got the wing panels joined last night this thing is like a kite with a motor lol