Thanks for the info guys. I will check out the planes you suggested hogflyer. I have been flying for several years now and have quite a few planes that i could race, but I think I would like something a little different. These are the planes that I am currently flying. I have a H9 Twist, A H9 aresti 40, A sig Hog Bipe, A GP ultimate 40, a hobico superstar trainer (for my son) and a couple of electric planes. The aresti is a good pattern plane and is pretty fast, but the inverted engine mount is a pain, and the way the cowl is configured, mounting the engine sideways without totally destroying the cowl is next to impossible. I think that plane is destine for the scrap heap. I would like something fast, but it doesn't have to be rediculous. Our races around here are pretty much run the same way you guys run yours Hogflyer.