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First 3D giant scale - recommendations ?!
I'm looking to get my first 3D aerobatic - giant scale (about 89' wingspan, 50 to 100 cc).
I flew the Carden Yak 54 and loved it. what would you guys recommend as a similar plane - in terms of easyflight and 3d ability ? |
RE: First 3D giant scale - recommendations ?!
Big spread in engine size there.
If you're looking for 3D try Pilot RC (http://www.chiefaircraft.com) select Radio Control store and check out the Pilot RC Offerings. You also have Extreme Flight (http://www.extremeflightrc.com) and Red Aero RC (http://www.redaerorc.com) My favorite is the Pilot 50cc SBach but there's tons of good planes out there. |
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what kind of budget do you have? for servos, engine, aircraft and acessories? its easy to spend 2500$ and up. depending on your location, the used market can have some real incentives. try to pick something that is somewhat current, and has parts and customer service.
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budget would be 2k$, for all.
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honlsty I do not like the way the Sbach fly's it's short couple and not as forgiving as a Yak a or slick
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if 2k is your budget go for 50cc with futaba 9156 all around and top of the line equipment a fromeco wolverineswtcj for receiver and badger for ignition
pilot rc makes the best arf i have ever assembled ALL the hardware is top notch and usable cheifaircraft.com sells them www.fromeco.org |
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MJ has some good pointers, I still think 2K will be exceeded. Try not not to skimp on some very vital parts, such as batteries etc. For 50cc budget, get a DLE 55 and skip the other copy/copies. Its loud, if your field has limits, budget another 100plus for muffler.
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Here's a good 100cc plane: [link=http://www.abellhobby.com/100cc-33-Edge-540-102-p/rcl100cc540.htm]Abell Edge[/link]. Local club member has one, and it flies very nice on a DL100 that they also offer as a combo. Not the latest/greatest whizbang airframe, but a VERY good value!
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If $2000 is your budget he's looking at a well equipped 50CC which IMO would be better than a mediocre equipped 100cc
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being my first 3d plane, what is you guys opinion about starting with a smaller 3d plane ? makes sense or just the opposite - harder to fly ?!
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I would agree that a well equiped 50cc airplane would be better then a middle of the road 100cc. The cost difference between the two is significant. I would also advise that when going with a 50cc airplane try to stay as close to 17 lbs as you can. I have flown some of the larger 50cc airplanes and although power to weight is not bad, the drag of the larger airplanes is a handicap. If you decide to go with one of the bigger airplanes the DLE 55 and a canister would be my choice.
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RE: First 3D giant scale - recommendations ?!
Bigger flies better! That adage is true for the most part, though a poorly setup big plane wouldn't be better. I pointed out that plane because it's an exceptional value, and have actually seen it fly. It flies very nicely. With the (admittedly superceded) DL100 that Abell sells, and some decent quality digitals, such as Hitec 7985's or similar for about $80ea, this plane could be setup for approx $2000. No need for power expanders or other weight-adding expenses.
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ORIGINAL: TBone2008 being my first 3d plane, what is you guys opinion about starting with a smaller 3d plane ? makes sense or just the opposite - harder to fly ?! A DW Foamies plane would be another great learning tool; I've got many, many flights on my BAF Yak 54 from them. These planes are relatively cheap, easy to repair, and will teach you what you need to go on to bigger, prettier planes if that's what you like. |
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I see it at 60$ but its ARF...what shoudl I expect to have it at with all parts then ?!
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How about one of these: http://flypau.com/html/extra300sp/extra300sp.html
Video here:http://vimeo.com/29266534 |
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ORIGINAL: TBone2008 being my first 3d plane, what is you guys opinion about starting with a smaller 3d plane ? makes sense or just the opposite - harder to fly ?! I would not recommend learning 3D on a $2000 plane. You are probably going crash it or you will not push the envelope which you need to get good. I have crashed a couple planes learning 3D. Some are dead some I was able to fix. There are 2 things you need to master. 1. Piloting skills 2. Courage When you start bringing a 30%er in close to the ground and close to yourself in a hover or some other wild maneuver - the courage thing can really become a problem. I am way more relaxed with my $60 foamy than my 27% Bipe. I have literally cartwheeled the foamy across the field and laughed about it - and it still flies. The Bipe would not take that abuse and I won't push it to that extreme - nor would I laugh about wrecking it. There are a lot of cheaper very good 3D planes out there. Electric Foamies - These planes are very cheap and good trainers but I hate the way they fly Mountain Models Tantrum (kit) or other similar full body electrics *Glow engine Profiles like OMP or MOJO - I own 2 OMP 47" Edge profiles. (HIGHLY RECOMMEDED!!!) Other Glow planes like UCanDo or the Reactor There are others you can look up on the forums. One key item is WING LOADING. The lower the better and it pays to calculate it. The planes mentioned above have extremely low wing loading. They float through the air. The are bad at loops as they fall out and float away at the top if your speed is low. The glow engine profiles are probably the best 3D trainer out there and they are cheap. Good Luck! |
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ORIGINAL: Uncas ORIGINAL: TBone2008 being my first 3d plane, what is you guys opinion about starting with a smaller 3d plane ? makes sense or just the opposite - harder to fly ?! I would not recommend learning 3D on a $2000 plane. You are probably going crash it or you will not push the envelope which you need to get good. I have crashed a couple planes learning 3D. Some are dead some I was able to fix. There are 2 things you need to master. 1. Piloting skills 2. Courage When you start bringing a 30%er in close to the ground and close to yourself in a hover or some other wild maneuver - the courage thing can really become a problem. I am way more relaxed with my $60 foamy than my 27% Bipe. I have literally cartwheeled the foamy across the field and laughed about it - and it still flies. The Bipe would not take that abuse and I won't push it to that extreme - nor would I laugh about wrecking it. There are a lot of cheaper very good 3D planes out there. Electric Foamies - These planes are very cheap and good trainers but I hate the way they fly Mountain Models Tantrum (kit) or other similar full body electrics *Glow engine Profiles like OMP or MOJO - I own 2 OMP 47'' Edge profiles. (HIGHLY RECOMMEDED!!!) Other Glow planes like UCanDo or the Reactor There are others you can look up on the forums. One key item is WING LOADING. The lower the better and it pays to calculate it. The planes mentioned above have extremely low wing loading. They float through the air. The are bad at loops as they fall out and float away at the top if your speed is low. The glow engine profiles are probably the best 3D trainer out there and they are cheap. Good Luck! |
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ORIGINAL: TBone2008 I see it at 60$ but its ARF...what shoudl I expect to have it at with all parts then ?! |
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If you want to get started in big planes, get a big plane. If you want to learn how to torque roll and rolling harrier, get a foamy.
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+1000. It really hurts when you doink a 25-35% airframe or even a 60" $200 airframe.. Get a foamie when learning 3D, preferably a slab that's easily reparied (sabre 35, dw foamie fusion, etc)
ORIGINAL: Uncas ORIGINAL: TBone2008 being my first 3d plane, what is you guys opinion about starting with a smaller 3d plane ? makes sense or just the opposite - harder to fly ?! I would not recommend learning 3D on a $2000 plane. You are probably going crash it or you will not push the envelope which you need to get good. I have crashed a couple planes learning 3D. Some are dead some I was able to fix. There are 2 things you need to master. 1. Piloting skills 2. Courage When you start bringing a 30%er in close to the ground and close to yourself in a hover or some other wild maneuver - the courage thing can really become a problem. I am way more relaxed with my $60 foamy than my 27% Bipe. I have literally cartwheeled the foamy across the field and laughed about it - and it still flies. The Bipe would not take that abuse and I won't push it to that extreme - nor would I laugh about wrecking it. There are a lot of cheaper very good 3D planes out there. Electric Foamies - These planes are very cheap and good trainers but I hate the way they fly Mountain Models Tantrum (kit) or other similar full body electrics *Glow engine Profiles like OMP or MOJO - I own 2 OMP 47'' Edge profiles. (HIGHLY RECOMMEDED!!!) Other Glow planes like UCanDo or the Reactor There are others you can look up on the forums. One key item is WING LOADING. The lower the better and it pays to calculate it. The planes mentioned above have extremely low wing loading. They float through the air. The are bad at loops as they fall out and float away at the top if your speed is low. The glow engine profiles are probably the best 3D trainer out there and they are cheap. Good Luck! |
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enjoying the bigger side airplanes - yet wanting to learn/crash the cheaper ones... what'sthe biggest size of foamy (dw foamies / sabre etc.) I could get that will still teach me 3d well before I go to teh big planes ?
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The 48" or 55" foamies are a little slower and more forgiving; I have the 55" Yak54, and it taught me a lot about hovering. The 40" Juka has been highly recommended from more than one source for me...a little faster response, I believe. [link=http://www.dwfoamies.com/index.php?page=shop.product_details&category_id=29 &flypage=vmj_ritz.tpl&product_id=46&option=com_vir tuemart&Itemid=343]DW Juka 48"[/link]
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40" Juka is incredible and is probably my all around favorite airplane to fly. I'd like to try the 48" size. Also, if you are learning, DW makes a hybrid EPP/Depron fusion kit that is designed to withstand the abuse of learning. I had one and it was great.
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talking about foamies, my Hacker Superzoom 4D is still a fantastic 3D trainer... Thanx to its profiled wing it flies very realistically and all the manoeuvres are doable. Big enough to be seen, small enough to be tossed in the car.
I've had one for one year, it has logged countless flights, been crashed, dinged and abused in every which way, and has taught me sooo muchhttp://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/js/f...wink_smile.gif Tumbling thru the sky 3 days ago, the LIPO ejected from its slot cut in the fuselage and ended up dangling by the wire underneath... a couple of ups and downs later the Superzoom woz safe on Terra Firma! The only downside to this airplane are the flight control hinges giving way after a while, easily fixed. |
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