what is 3D Flying
 

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Not flying! Flying is done with lift, 3D is just a big engine pulling a frame around.

Since I don't speak emojis, I have to ask the question: are you actually asking a question or just trolling? Although I _could_ understand the answer already given, I feel the answer is also a type of trolling.

Rafael

Not trolling at all. How much "flying" is done in 3-D? Everything I've watched is a big engine pulling around a body. Watch some real competition flying like Red Bull - they do real flying.

"3D Flying" encompasses a large variety of flight, it's best just to show you an example:


Much skill is required to make the aircraft fly as smoothly as Kyle does, it's not something someone picks up in a couple days of practice.

Thinking that's your opinion, and although I do believe they are "really" flying as well, you did ask about 3D. A LOT of 3D would also include maneuvers done at the very slowest speeds, requiring a level of control that darn few ever master completely. We're not always talking about somebody practicing the hover (hard to do without electronic assistance, and many consider it boring to watch).

You think it's easy? You want REAL flying? Next time you're out flying, here a challenge for you, exercising a basic 3D skill. While coming in for a landing, add some power and up elevator, and hold your plane off the runway about 18" or so, the length of the runway. Then do a rudder turn and come back..... all without increasing your speed above landing speed, and never gaining more than 4' of altitude. With proper set up (yes, you get to figure that out too!), about any decent sport plane should be able to do that. Then come back and tell us 3D is all "big engine pulling around a body".

As a full scale pilot, I have terrific admiration for the way those guys handle those Red Bull planes (like flying back to an airport after dipping a wing tip in the Detroit River), and even more for the advances made in their construction. The power to weight ratios they get to play with, well the more you know about them, the more amazed you become. That said, I don't consider what they spend most of their time doing 3D flying, not the way I think of 3D anyway. -Al

I was somewhat siding with you, but you are dead set in your ways and will not accept someone else's opinion and want to inject your opinion as fact. Anytime you leave the ground you are flying. You are talking to a helicopter pilot in case you missed the avatar. what would be the difference? our propeller is what carries the weight of our vehicles.

Rafael

We all know helicopters don't fly, they beat the air into submission.

:D

Hope you're well, I've been playing with more jets and 3D airplanes (not flying them, just dragging them around with a big motor) than heli stuff lately.

Totally true, a completely different dimension of flying being separated from the ground.

Job took me travelling 2014 to early 2017, with a few short breaks in between. Very little RC done then. On top of that, while in Wichita, KS I used the opportunity to get my Full Scale Ticket. So that leaves less time and money for RC. I've been working to get my stuff out of mothballs and in flying condition as time becomes available.

I assume Irma left you alone?

Rafael

3D Skill
 

I view 3D flying as way to show off skill with the transmitter. I'm not that skilled and, as a consequence, I get bored watching 3D flights. My skill level allows me to fly for fun and have a ball doing so. I consider that equivalent to the 3D flyer.

Ask a 3D-Champion to perform a slow roll using the whole runway.....
The goal is the combo with 3D Flying an precise dynamic flying.
Andrew Jesky for example is a pilot who has all the skills for both types of flying!

A flying skills that takes many years to master, that no ordinary model could ever perform.
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Lets keep it simple for a first lesson. The engine/propellor/turbine overcomes the drag to pull the plane forward through the thrust it creates. Now imagine a cross section of a wing. Flat across the bottom and curved across the top. Point A is the middle of the forward edge of the wing, and the rear edge is point B. The distance across the top of the wing from A to B is longer than the bottom flat wing from A to B. Now imagine two molecules of air hitting the front of the wing. One molecule goes across the top, and the other across the bottom. The top one has to travel a greater distance, but it MUST meet the other molecule at the rear edge of the wing. To meet the bottom one, the top one must go faster. This creates an area of decreased pressure on the top of the wing, and increased pressure on the bottom of the wing, which creates LIFT. The engnine must pull those wings through the air fast enough so that enough lift is created to raise the plane above the ground. Each plane has its own statistics as to when it can fly. A microlight might be able to take off at 30mph, a large jet may reach 130mph before it begins to have enough lift to raise all that weight.

So how do you account for a plane that can accelerate out of a Hover? Clearly that's not requiring a lot of lift from the wing. Or a roller, where the plane is rolling on it's axis with a forward speed of a walking pace?

3D is about a plane in motion that's defying most of the rules of flight that we've observed previously or been taught. That's one of the reasons it leaves people with the thought that planes can't do that - when clearly, they are looking at one that proves that thought incorrect....

3D flying is all about fun and skills at work. More of it today between the heavy showers with my 10 YO giant Depron one, no sign of wear after all these years!
(Giant 3D Depron flight)

Amazing control

QueQui once called it " flying beyond the stall". Simplistic but dead on if you think about it.

David

Now that I didn't know. It got me interested.

3D flying is where the runway is blocked off by someone hovering a plane and standing on the runway beside it stopping anybody else from flying.

Nonsense! 3D flying is skills that takes lot of years to develop, being hated by pilots who simply are un-capable doing it!
A common sense pilot never blocks any one from flying, just enjoy his or her skills. (46 Ultimate on low C) - Am I blocking anyone???
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Drying out my flying field after he storm.

The most basic rule flying any model at the MAAA Club is to stand in the pilots box, so there's no way you can block anyone else flying standing on the runway! Plus, it is a basic courtesy not to do 3D manouvers in front of pilots box when other pilots fly their regular pattern. It is just a common sense, and if you don't observe these basic rules the Club's safety officer should tell you to p/off.

I have always loved watching Kyle fly....

if you set the playback speed to 2 it looks like 2021 full throttle 3D!!

:p

Bit of short fun 'beyond the stall' with my Depron Giant, to bring the pack to storage level after earlier 5 minute flight.
(Ultimate Giant, low and slow)

nice pictures:cool: