MAAC 3d safety rules
 

Just recieved my new maac mag with new rules concerning 3d. (maac is canada's ama) It now states: "3D type flying is only allowed when no other aircraft are in the air and the distances such as 100 ft from spectator/parking areas and 20 ft from the pilot must be strictly adhered to."
Is this similar to the AMA's code? To me, this should read " low level hovering maneuvres is only allowed...etc" Does this mean I cannot do harriers, parachutes, hovering at 200 ft, etc, etc, unless I am the sole plane in the air?
Thing that ticks me off is that our club is riddled with heli pilots(not that there is anything wrong with that) That hover over the runway all the time. Isn't this 3d flying as well? there have been more close calls in our club from out of control helis than planes.
Just seems that this rule was not well thought out and probably written by someone who is into control line.(not that there is anything wrong with that)

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Yes, helis hovering is 3D (the term 3D per our airplanes comes from the heli relm).

To my knowledge, the AMA doesn't regulate airplane 3D. People, please feel free to prove me wrong.

That is an interesting rule. What do you wanna bet that amendments start pouring in to MAAC by the time next year's revisions come around? :P

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Sounds like the MAAC big wigs are warbird pilots.

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It must be that "French Canadian" group just wanting to be contrary....

Those Weasels!

You can take them out of France but you just can't get the French out of them... :)


All of us Americans, we like our Freedoms!

Bean

PS- Sorry Roger, I just can't resist!

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You can always say that the term "3D flying" only applies to helis, therefore as you fly a plane it is exempt.

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20ft from the pilot??? What a load of crap!! The AMA has a rule that you cant touch your airplane while in flight (catch it during a hover) but a lot of good 3D pilots along with myself break this one all the time, you just cant do it at an AMA event. I understand why they have the rules but they should also state somewhere that you can do it all you want to but MAAC and AMA wont be liable for any damage.

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That's basically what they say anyway.

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It's what you'd expect from a bunch of out of touch OLD guys!

Over here we have the BMFA, the British Model Flying Assoc' but AKA as the Ban Model Flying Association! :-)

Full size is the CAA, the Civil Aviation Authority, AKA Cancel All Aircraft.

Oh, and by the way, do heli's still need a pilot. Would have though they were completely electronic by now! :-)

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My brother's club in Edmonton already enacted this into their bylaws. I'm going to call someone at MAAC and get some more info, but I agree that '3d-type aerobatics' is a little ambiguous. If someone creams my plane at 200 feet, 30 seconds after I do a waterfall or elevator, is it my fault because I was doing '3d-type' flying?

3D flying is becoming more popular, simply because it's a whole lot more fun than flying in rectangles. Spectators like it too. I CAN see the problem with hovering though - helis AND planes. If you're in a club with reasonable people who act like adults, most pilots will time their flights accordingly, and/or ask their mates if it's ok to hog the runway for a few minutes. The problem inevitably arises when someone doesn't know when to quit or scares others by their lack of control. I'd way rather see clubs work out the conflicts internally by consensus, so that everyone can have fun.

I am curious to see if MAAC has any (good) reason for this rule. Like others, I suspect that it is reaction to a perceived threat, rather than a real one. It also gives less progressive members of clubs unwarranted (IMHO) ammunition to hamper the legitimate flying of other pilots.

KD

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i am sooooo glad our club is not BMFA affiliated for this kind of reason.

really pi$$e$ me off i have to say.


seems the ones that make the decisions are the ones that you never even see with a plane.

BLOODY ARMCHAIR PILOTS!!!!!!!!!

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I agree...unfortunately it only takes one bad apple to ruin the whole bunch (in my case there are 2 bad apples). They fly all over the field like they own it, like no one else is flying. No respect for fellow fliers, no common courtesy. How can you have fun if all you are doing is dodging other planes....may as well put stringers on all the planes.
I personally have tried to give them space, let them fly by themselves so they can utilize the entire field to their pleasure, but then they want to go up with me and continue this sporadic (well, some call it 3D) flying. And lets not mention when I'm trying to train someone, the last thing they need is a guy hovering all over the place while they are learning to fly (yes, this is on training days), and yes, they get mad when you ask them to tone it down, or not fly when you have a newbie up on a box.

I like to tear up the skies myself, I like to take over the entire field as well. But I ask if its o.k. with others at the field, and I don't get too crazy with other people flying. Its called RESPECT your fellow flier.

btw-If I crash my plane b/c they are doing something they should not do, well lets just say that picking up the pieces will be the last thing on my mind...

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Cabane, our club is BMFA affiliated and 3D flying is not a problem, it is just a case of being sensible, as with everything else. (I don't remember there being anything in the rule book to stop 3D flying either)

If you are hovering over the strip, then it is on the basis that you give way to anyone landing or taking off.

The only time that I'm arware of someone being told not to hover over the strip was when the wind was cross strip so if anything went wrong the wind would blow the plane (a 90 size limbo dancer!!) into the pilots. So he hovered beyond the far side of the strip and all was fine.

As for the point about not flying 3D when no one else is flying, how silly is that? Mid airs are very rare, I have not seen any with a plane doing 3D moves. In fact I don't think I've seen any with a 3D plane. In fact 3D flying can give other flyers more space. IF the 3D plane is being flown down low above the strip, then it leaves a huge amount of space free for other flying.

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Actually midairs are pretty common during torque rolls and hovers :) I always see several of these each year. 99% of the time it is always caused b/c of the idiot hovering is doing so in the middle of the runway with 10-15 other airplanes in the air at the same time making low passes. I always hover very low and in the center of the runway but I do so only when the traffic is very low at the field.

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Try to remember back when you were trying to learn 3D, did you hover low??? probably not...were you in complete control all the time??? probably not...

Its o.k. to do it...just be respectful of others while you are doing it...

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I'm REALLY tired of having these ignorant, stupid and pathetic rules and opinions passed down from higher but lesser mortals I.E. Governers , bodies, parties , chairman, do gooder jealous can't fly prats. For the last time 3D is the pivitol of flying, it's the backflip of motox jumping. Not everyone can do it . IT not only takes talent skill practise co ordination and practise but balls, something these rule enforcers dont have. BASICS, standard flying high speed dive/loop within all the guidelines then add radio failure equals plane in the pitts or crowd ! 3D flying say slow rolling harrier very low and very close and add radio failure, result a very quick crash on patch. This is where the ignorance comes in theyfail to appreciate how many hard it is (more than 2 control inputs at anyone time- have they ever done that?) to keep a model pointing up past the stall travelling at 2 miles per hour (yes most of these rule enforcers spend the full flight at full throttle and yetb there not considered dangerous) if a person was to freeze for just one second the model will crash. Lastly they fail to appreciate (cos again they can't and never will) that if a model was to lose radio say in the hover , even if the engine reved up it can not fly away its got no momentem and no inplanted talent to mix all the sticks to keep it up. IT WIIL INSTANTLY GO DOWN, DOWN, INTO THE GROUND< LIKE MANY OF THE IGNORIES THAT FLY MUCH MORE DANGEROUS AND ARE MUCH MORE LIKELY TO HAVE A PLANE GO INTO A CROWD THAN A 3DER_GET REAL GET A LIFE

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WOW, harsh, but true

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Perhaps I should add to my comment that our club rules limit three aircraft flying at anyone time, to prevent the sky becoming overcrowded and minimising the risk of midairs. 10-15 planes in the air at the same time? Don't think I would fly there.

It is also expected that if you are landing, taking off, or doing low passes you comunicate this to other pilots so that they can fly accordingly.

Good comunication and being sensible means every one can be kept happy.:)

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10-15 in the air is not at my field, it is at some of the fly-ins that I go to. I generally dont fly at these b/c of all of the heavy traffic, but it sure makes for some good midairs. As matter of fact I am going to a fly-in tommarrow where there is sure to be a midair b/c there has been one the last 6 times that I have been.

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So true.....
When I first joined my club there were basically 2 rules:1. enjoy 2. have fun.

Now, due to the few "unsensible" pilots at the field, we have about 12 rules to abide. We just added a 13th b/c a knucklehead pilot wants to fly his plane while standing in the middle of the runway (even when I yelled out DEADSTICK), and he tried to get mad when the plane almost hit him. I know this guy is going to cost us our field some day(I hate to say it, but this guy may be the first guy kicked out of this club since its existence)...

Although I despise them, rules are necessary for ignorant people.

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Hmm, every now and then you get stuck with someone who has had a common sense bypass.

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Limited toThree aircraft in the air at one time, get a life!!!!!!!!!!!

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Its seems 40% planes that 3D is minority anyway.
That most of the clubs don,t care to have them around, for a number of reasons it really does not matter.
We go to a fun fly bring one down to hover, the *****ing starts.
If you bring 1/3 scale cub they woo and haw all over it.
I choose to stay away from the belly acers, I have found a good club that promotes all kind of RC flying. The best bunch of people, we have war birds Big ones, 3D Flying, IMAC, also had 100 heli pilots there for weekend.
This is a club that PROMOTES all types Of RC flying.
The other clubs that I have had the pleasure of belonging to do not promote flying.
They spend the majority of there time running people away who get sick and tired of listening to them.
This Club has one rule If you can not get along with someone leave.
All the member of this club respect each other, weather you have a trainer, War Bird,
or 40% Extra.
I have found the more rules you lay down, the more BS you have.
Works for us and its fun to go there.

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Having a limit of 3 up is rarely a problem, as we rarely seem to get more than half a dozen or so at the field at the same time. Very rare that you have to wait for someone to come down before you can fly.

And when you do fly, the sky is largely empty.

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Flying safely? This is the question! A few years ago members of the club decided to ban inverted flying over the runway. Only one member did this. The perception was it was unsafe. The reason it was considered unsafe were those that couldn't fly inverted at all let alone over the runway. Several members stated we would rather see a proficient pilot inverted over the runway than most fly upright over the runway.

After an IMAC contest a few years ago Branwell McClory was entertaining us with his skill at 3D and dipping the rudder in a pond. During this display 2 pilots decided to do some additional practice. There was a loud crunch and the sky was filled with the remains of 35 and 40% aircraft since the pilots decided not to use a spotter. Fly safely and keep an eye out for your flying buddies.

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