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Well, for the third consecutive time, my piece of junk Moki has flamed out while torking low.[:'(] This engine has a history of flaming out and bogging. It runs okay.....on the ground... It flamed out 13 times in one month before the engine was SUPPOSEDLY fixed. The gear on the Hangar 9 Edge went through the wing and the fuse buckled. I was low... real low. about 6-10 inches off the deck when it happened with no warning. I am so mad that my sarcasm level has popped its top....... So, their name should be expensive paperweight engines and their slogan shoud be Pile em up! I would highly reccommend them..[:'(]

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yes i highly recommend them in a good way. an EXTREMELY RELIABLE ENGINE IF USE PROPERLY OK what fuel brand, oil content, nitro content, prop, glow plug, break in mix and break in time;)

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I am not saying it's you, 3D-kid330, when I say my Moki (in the DP Edge) is the most reliable, powerful, trouble free glow engine I have owned. Yours MUST have something wrong with it.

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Now that I have cooled off a little, I do think there is something wrong with it. I use 5% Powermaster Running an OS#8 plug and a Bambula 18-8 prop. Should I say WAS. Break in was about 4 tanks thoroughly run through that thing...

Now what really turned me off was NOT ONLY the extensive damage to the plane. A few days before that I completely refurbished everything- Took a week and 40$ to repaint the cowl with a sort of custom scheme and three days to polish that 3 1/2 in alum spinner and fixed up the covering. Also put new rx.

All that hard work down the drain[:@]...... Makes me want to slap a DA 50 on the nose.[>:]

I WAS taping for the Flying Circus video contest... I got SOME good video... I guess I am out of it for a while unless I can get one of my helis going again.

3D-kid330[:-][:-][:-][:'(][>:][>:][>:]:eek::eek:

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hmmmmm, use 5% fuel at the ABSOLUTE MAX. they are designed to run constant, reliable and powerfully on 0% nitro fuel, plug......try a OS or YS 4 stroke plug.

im not trying to make you sound stupid, but you did have fuel in it? i had a engine die on me in a torque roll at about 10 feet falling onto its nose and taking out the firewall yesterday. Why? simply because id beeing using allot of throttle in that flight compared to normal so my normal 12 mins of flying was reduced a bit, so it cut when it went into the hover. wen i emptied the tank, i couldnt get 1 rotation out of my hand fuel pump it was so low. mabey, now im not saying your dumb again, but did you remeber to fuel it up, many people do that, including myself once or twice.

Also, what moki is it? 135, 180 or 210? Mokis are ringed engines so they take a longer time to run in than say an ABC or ABN engine, once there run in you wont find a better 2 stroke engine than a moki


Ian

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i hope you mean us gallons. my moki's don't leave the ground till i go get another case of fuel. 5 gallon break in boring as heck but the engine will be flying when we're 150 years old. they don't wear out if used like they are designed to be used. always pull a new engine apart to get the machine waste out of it. thats what causes a lot of bearing failures. being a 18/8 prop i'd say a 180

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Right Prophanger! Hard chrome bore and ringed piston, they take a LOT of running in. Like Prophanger says get a few gallons through it first. You might also check out your cooling arrangements (exit 3 times inlet) if it's cowled, overheating is a favourite for causing cutting especially when prop hanging. Good luck, hope you get it sorted. ;)

EDIT: 3D-kid330, what does your H9 Edge weigh? I'm torn between the DP Edge and the H9 Edge for my Moki 1.80. The H9 is a good deal cheaper too but I don't want to compromise 3D ability and will pay extra (?!) if the DP is better. Any views? Anybody?

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I'll give you $25 for it if you're done with it........

Richard

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WowBagger,

It weighs 14.5 lbs. It's heavy because of all the fiberglass in the gear area and in other places. Despite it's weight, it 3d's great only when the engine would run. At least it dosent explode everytime it flops.(engine probs) The thing's got tons of power but it just wont run right...

Edible,
There was about half a tank of fuel left inside. How do I know? I looked through the gaping hole in the fuselage...:eek: Man I would have felt really stupid if I forgot to fuel it. It's a 180.

AKA Moki "Flameout" 180

Prophanger 1,
Thanks for the break in info, I will definitley do it next time, might save me all that trouble.

Ps- Right now, everything that possibly could have gone wrong on all of my planes and helis,.....DID[sm=punching.gif]
Stripped a very good servo while my heli (X-Cell Pro graphite 2) while it was sitting on the bench with less than a week of the contest that heli was giong to fly in. My T-3D II foamie was also flying for the video contest threw its pinion gear, which is the size of a kernal of corn in a big grass field. Had a ton of other trouble also.

Things are so bad right now that all that they can do is get better[:o], I'm hoping for the best...

3D-kid330

AKA Brandon " tork it low and flameout" Kontorinis:D

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My experience with Moki(s) is that they have poor fuel draw. You have to have the tank as close to the carb as possible. Also the pressure feed nipple must be kept clean and open.

I would use them in non 3-D flying but would hesiste to have one as a prop-hanging-driver. The mixture would need to be on the rich side for sustained vertical and then it would load-up in level flight.

A Cline regulator will fix the problem.

Regards,

Ex-Pat-Eric...

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why not add a header tank likein the helis, so if it stops being able to draw fuel frm the thank itll draw wats left in the header tank so itll take a while longer for it to flame out

just an idea
Ian

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Zac? If so will the video be on the other site also? Sorry to hear about the Edge...

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given your recent luck do you suppose there is nothing wrong with your moki at all and you are just getting huge doses of bad luck?
bad luck does cause flameouts.....

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The MOKI engine and the Patrick Edge plane are a perrrfect combo. If you have the 2.1, use it. I have the MOKI 1.8 and it's great. To save weight, even using the 2.1, I would put a single elevator servo on pull-pull in the middle of the fuselage. It's a super setup. I modified almost nothing on this plane during assembly.

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youre telling me you run 5 gallons of fuel just for break in?????? Thats crazy and doesnt make any sense!

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do you have a new moki brand engine, if not your in the dark on proper run in for them. moki owners understand about the run in time. you can fly before that much but i don't. a little fuel money makes me feel better than risking a 1500$ and up plane. fuel is cheap compared to a plane really after i get it built take my sweet time i hate building arf's. every engine i buy i run at least a half gallon in them most a gallon. i have had 1 dead stick in two years Barron checked the fuel it was a bad gallon i must be doing something right. new plug after fuel jug changes i have a different jug for each engine so i know how much time is on my engines. i may be a kid but i know how to make a engine run right and plane fly right;)

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Cheech, thanks for the info man, appreciate it. I'm deffo going with the DP Edge now. Thanks.

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Clam,

Sure looks like it. When I thought things could not get any worse,... IT DID. Again[:@] Remember that video contest I WAS flying for... Stupid federal law bit me again. To register into the other sites that were hosting this, You must be 13 and up to even be allowed to register, so the way this is headed, I just turned 12. I understand the reasons that they wanted to keep with it, but crap like this has bitten me so many times its not funny.[:-] This is when fed law sucks.[&:]

This was the only reason I was flying when it happened. [:'(] If it's bad luck, I'm getting[sm=bananahead.gif]loads of it.

DTB,
This isn't Zak. If I get the video going, I will post it here. We didn't get the flameout on video.

Brandon Kontorinis[sm=greedy.gif][sm=greedy.gif][sm=angry.gif][sm=stupid.gif][sm=drowning.gif][sm=punching.gif]

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yup, i know the feeling. i was flying when i was 12 as well, and i took a lot of crap from other people too. they did not think i could fly, and during the later part of my 12th year, i had a cap 232 that i banged around when people said stuff like that. they would say stuff like "aww, look at that kid with that plane. that's too much to start with, you should get a trainer" and i would get up, go ballistic, and tailslide into a torque roll about 30 ft off deck and they usually did not talk to me again. if they are going to treat me that way, i would rather make an enemy of them and have them leave me alone then have him keep giving me "fatherly advice" and not recognise the fact that i am a decent flyer.

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Yep. When I go to other clubs people come straight to me and ask what trainer I'm flying and I just say you'll see:D. When I bring out the Edge which dwarfs all of their planes they look at me like I'm crazy until they see me torking it with dust blowing everywhere and low roller circles at five feet. I come back in and there is silence as everybody goes back to their business...:)

I had better get my helis going for the compettition this weekend.

3D-kid330
Brandon "flameout" Kontorinis

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Well, for a glow plug Id say try an Enya 3 or an O.S A3. I have a small amout of experince with these big motors but I know several guys who do and that what they run. As far as your fuel go's that sounds good to me.

Just my 2 cents,

Fly-guy

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I think I'll try some of those plugs and see if they make a difference. Thanks for the info!

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I am wondering are you running any kind of a pump with the big Moki. It seems these larger 2 stroke glow engines always run better with an pump like the cline or perry installed. Also, I would be putting quite a few gallons through that moki to let it break in and settle down before I try any 3D down low. I would say the pump is a must for reliable fuel feed though if you plan to do 3D.

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I just bought a Moki 1.80 and have only praise for this awesome engine. All I did was read up on it in RCU, bought one, read the manual, and ran a gallon through it. I put a Cline reg on it and ran a few tanks to test it and it ran great. I put it on my 25% Kangke CAP232 and have flown about 20 flights on it (just over a gallon). Prop hanging, harriers, knife edges, blenders...not a single flame out running 5% nitro, 20% oil, and a type F plug. I use a Bambula 18-8 prop. I love this engine. Just follow the manual and your odds of success are almost guranteed. Yes there are always bad ones but my 1st one was a darn good one.

BTW, if your going to prop hang, run it plenty rich to keep it cool, especially if it's newer.

Joe

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Sport 10,
I did not have any sort of pump on that Moki. If I fly that engine again I definitely will.

JoeAirPort,
It was running rich when it flamed out. Head wasn't hot and thare was still fuel in the engine.

Thanks for the info,
3D-kid330