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Bruno ; I glassed the center section of my wings. Didn't help much when it bounced off the pole at the pilot station.

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Ouch! Sorry to hear that Roadhor. Did you ever get the Saito 72 to settle down, I guess on a new engine mount? If so, how did she fly? I've been toying with putting an OS72 on mine.

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Bruno ; I made aluminum mounts using the factory ones as templates. It worked great , you'll love the big 4-stroker on there, it's a great match.

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I have been flying one for about a month, it is wild. I have a TTpro 46 on it. The thing will do anything you are capable of doing, and then be gentle as a lamb. I can virtually land tail wheel first and go the full length of our field, keeping the tail whell down, and never touch the main tires. On the first flight, use low rates, but it won't take long before you go to high. This thing will roll like a diamond dust on high rates, and hover great. The only problem I have had, is that I was using a 11x6 prop, and had to change to 12x4.5 to hover. Believe me, you will absolutely love yours. They are a BLAST

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Thanks Roadhor, Rookie8. The jury is still out on whether to use the 70 or a 46FX 2S I have. I may put the 70 on another plane, that I seem to be overbuilding a bit.

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I think glassing the center wing section is a waste of time on this plane. If you use 30 minute epoxy and mix it corectly (precise)and let it cure for a day you will be fine. I have built over 30 ARFS ranging from 25 size to 120 and I have never once glassed the center wing section and as of yet I have yet to have a joint fail. I have ran 3 gallons of fuel through the engine on my Magic Extra and many flights. I have been flying it now for over 2 months. It is a blast to fly. I fly mine also with a TT Pro 46 and a 12X4 APC prop.

maiden flight report
 

I finished my Magic Extra 300 ARF Friday evening. I had many of the same problems mentioned in this thread. Aileron rods not as long as I'd like. Fixed that by using slightly longer DuBro locking clevis. Motor mount holes didn't line up with holes and blind nuts in firewall. Fixed after a few minutes of carefully measured drill press work. Landing gear bolts were a joke.....made out of something VERY soft. Replaced them with quality items.

I ended up with 3 ounces of lead weight + a heavy prop nut spinner to get CG at 3.375. AUW of plane is one-half ounce over 5 pounds.

TT46 Pro barely fits in there....but it fit. I'm using an APC 12x4 prop for now. The brand new TT46 Pro started up easily Friday afternoon and I ran two tanks through it at home while tweaking the fuel mixture and leaving it a few clicks rich. I checked to make sure fuel would be properly delivered at any angle. I also added an exhaust extension tube strapped to the main gear which directs the slime to the right just above the wheel.

I had set the control throws at around 20% more than the manual's recommended "aerobatic" settings on high rate and at 50% of that on low rate. Initial take would be at low rate.

Took it out to the field Saturday morning. First takeoff was easy and quick. Climbed out gently to safe altitude and only needed several clicks of trim to get it straight and level. After a minute I could see that I wanted the high rate already. Flipped the switches to high and let her rip.

I took it relatively easy on that first flight. Landing was easy and slow (except for the couple stupid mistakes I made through out the day mis-judging the wind).

In the air, this thing easily did everything I asked it to do. Note that I'm relatively new to the hobby so I'm far from an expert. With the TT46Pro and 12x4 prop it has good vertical performance and will easily hover at around 75% throttle.

During the day I managed to run an entire gallon through it and had a blast. The TT46 Pro performed flawlessly on its original glowplug the whole time.

After I had confidence in the plane/motor, I started getting very agressive with the take-off climbing out easily at 75 degrees doing 4 point rolls. Inverted flight is really easy for me with this plane.

With the exhaust extension tube, the plane was totally clean after runnnig the entire gallon through it!!! (other than a few very small droplets).

All in all, it's the best $$$ I've spent thus far on this hobby (other than my Futaba 9CAP radio).

Picked up another plane today at LHS. The Aresti 40. I also picked up the Saito FA-72 for the Aresti. Epoxy is curing on wing halves as I type this :-).

After seeing posts in this thread about the FA-72 in the Magic Extra, I started thinking I might need to purchase another FA-72 and stuff it into the Magic then move the TT46 over to something else.....Am I insane? Well.....yes!

Jerry in Deltona, FL

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Remove the nose weight. It is not needed. I had nose weight at first but after the first flight I removed it and the plane flew much better. I also have the TT46 on it. It is plenty of power.

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I also have a Saito 72 w/ 13x4W prop on my Magic Extra. It ends up 4 lb 8 oz, balanced at 4" behind LE. I have a 5-cell flat AAA size NiMH 720 mA battery pack under the elevator servo. Should've gotten the hump 5-cell, so I can secure it above the pushrods, to get more tail weight. Someone in this thread reported a tail-fin breakage. Anyone else? Is tail-brace necessary? I am using JR 537 standard BB servos throughout.

Mine is ready to fly. Just waiting for a good day here at Detroit.

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I have been flying mine over 2 months and think flying wires are not needed. Again a waste of time but if you would feel more comfortable with them then by all means put them on.

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I don't own a Magic Extra 300 but I flew one this weekend. I recently put in an Edge 540T and have been out of the fun aerobatic flying. Since then I have been flying my Stick .60 and really dogging the heck out of it. After a few flights I am pretty much bored with it and just trying to invent something new to do with it.

Our club president owns a Magic Extra 300 which he built from a kit and asked if I would like to fly it. I did not hesitate one second. I needed to fly something fun!. It was fitted with a OS .52 Surpass on it and the control surfaces was set at the manuals recommendations.

I taxied it out to the runway advanced the throttle and then eased back into the air. I noticed right away that the elevator "to me" needed a little more expo. It was not over sensitive but felt a bit touchy. But on max throw on elevator there was not to much throw.

I flew around to get the feel of it and noticed that I needed to fly about 60% and up throttle to even hear the thing. The 52 is very quiet and at times i thought the engine had stalled. Every now and then I would kick it WOT to make sure i see a little smoke to make sure it had not died. I don't mind quiet engines but I like to hear if its running or not. In my opinion it needed a little bit more power or a change in props.

I landed it and we set more throws on it and see how it would do. I again took off and flew around a little. Then hit high rates and wanted to see what it would do. It rolled nicely, did basic loops nice without rolling out to one side. Inverted flight was very easy and hardly and down elevator. One thing it lacked was rudder. We had it set at max but it was on the least setting on the clevis. We just left it there for time being.

I brought it down low and was going to try some hovering. I pulled back and went nose up and started into a nice hover. The engine worked fine and did pull its own weight fine. But this was at about 85% to WOT. It reacted nicely in hover except for the rudder. It had very little effect on it trying to correct itself. But it did hover.

All in all it was a very fun plane to fly and thinking about getting one myself. I would have to set the controls to a more extreme setting for my taste but it was a fun plane to fly. I only flew it 3 times and was very pleased with it. A little after that I heard a plane go in right behind me near the pit area... After that I decided it was time to land and call it a day.T

he Magic Extra 300 is very fun plane to fly :D And even if you dont own one :(

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Add some right thrust and it will be easier to hover. I have my rudder throws at max and the rudder has plenty of authority. I have hovered this thing down to the ground and have done many tail touches.

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as of now the rudder is at max from the radio. The rest will have to be changed mechanically.

I would make the changes but it is not my plane. But I know it would be a blast after it was set up correctly

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cg would affect yaw authority.

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True.....just hope I can get my hands on it for time being and really see what it can do

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By the way, my Saito 72's mounting flange width is the same as the inner width between the 2 side cheek panels. So adding right thrust will be interesting: some serious carving to the inner surfaces of cheek panels. I will fly w/o right thrust initially. If it's that bad, I will take out that Dremel for some surgery...

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I didn't add any weight to mine, with the TT46, but I also like a little tail heavy feeling, for aerobatics. It still flies smooth and easy. I have a Saito 72, but didn't think I could get it to fit. I am glad to hear that you guys are using one. I might try it. Although I am extremely pleased with the performance of the TT. The main problem I have had with my Magic X 300 is that sorry covering. It started pealing off on the first flight. I finally got P O'd enough, that I just finished recovering the whole thing with monocote. Like I said, other than the covering, it is one of the best bangs for the buck.

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As a great lover of Saito 72s I am wondering how the mounting on the Magic Extra stands the torque and vibration. I have an OS 46 in mine, and it feels like its coming apart when it runs.

I agree, a lot of plane for the money, but the strength around certain areas including the fuselage around the leading edge worries me.

David C.

Have they fixed the Kit problems
 

A few threads back someone said Modeltech was revising the Magic Extra kits? Have they upgraded the components? If so, how do you tell which version is in the box? I'm thinking if the kits have been updated to eliminate the building issues, I might give it a whirl. I anxious to see how much damage I can do in 60 seconds or less :)

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hi guy's just got the magic today anybody out there useing a YS 63 in the baby. any feedback would be helpful :D

thanks dennis

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Don't think YS 63 will fit. But you can try the fit.

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Hi Guys, I'm about 90 % finished with my magic, I have only built 3 arf's so I thought all the problems were common and just worked through them. I could be spoiled by one that has no construction problems. I have a question about the alerons. Do you use a y connector to operate both alerons the same way. I have one servo for throttle, one for rudder, one for elevator, two for alerons. seems to me they should work independant of each other. Which way is right? When you explain, keep in mind I'm new to this. I also have a 4 channel transmitter. (the instructions said that is what was required.)

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I flew my Magic Extra last Friday... the only flyable day in Feburary here in Detroit. The Saito 72 swinging 13x4W @ 10700 was just about right. It would hover @ half throttle and pull out well. This plane flies just like the UCD that I also have, but just smaller and snappier. Knife edge loop requires lots of same direction aileron and down elevator. It does great wall and parachute.

The CG was at 4", and I felt it could be moved more aft, because it pitches down a little at low speed; it also wants to fall out of a hover. So I changed the tail wheel into a Sullivan tail wheel assy, and put a heavy 1" tail wheel. Now CG is at 4.25". I also switch the mail wheels to 2 3/4" to handle the 14x5N APC prop which I will try . I wonder how I can move the CG to 5" w/o those ugly lead weights. Hmm, I am thinking of cutting open the fuse bottom behind the servo hatch, and drop the RX battery amidst those pushrod guides. Good thing I have the small 720mA NiMH pack. Let's see how the new set-up works when I get another flying day.

awnichy: 4 channel radio works fine for this plane. A Y-extension for aileron will work if you put pushrod on the outside of both servo arms. This plane is quite sensitive at full 3D rates, but manageable. If your 4 channel radio doesn't have dual rates, start with the recommended test-fly rate, then move up to 3D rates, which in my book is max deflection physically allowed. :rolleyes:

Newbie
 

I haven't flown a rc plane in 35 years, I built 2 this winter, a trainer and a magic 300xl. Where can I go to maybe see all of these stunts you talk about, wall, parachute, etc... ?

Smaller engine?
 

Has anyone thought about a smaller engine like a sx 32 or tt 36? Seeing that the weight is low and most don't require nose weight do you think it would work and still be able to hover?

Ken