3D Hype
 

It appears that the models have not been built to the Weston specs. The specs stated that there should be 3/16 balsa cheeks at the back with the grain going fore/aft. Then 1/4 balsa doublers inside of these with the grain going vertical. I know my Hype just has what appears to be 3/16 balsa cheeks around the tailplane. Ther next batch will have these specs embodied. I epoxied 1/16 ply sides the same shape as the balsa cheeks to the inside of each balsa cheek. I did this following all your comments on the tail failures. I also epoxied 3/8 triangular balsa to the underside of each tailplane to balsa cheek joint. Those that have had their Hype fail, did it fail within the balsa cheeks or did it fail in the balsa cructh sides further forward. I used the Weston Hi tork 50 motor and pipe and carbon spats/u/c etc and mine came out nose heavy so adding some epoxy and ply to the back is not a probem. I had to mount my batt 3 inches behind the back of the wing on a 1/8 ply plate across the fuz sitting on the lower longerons, I added 3/8 trianular balsa to this joint as well. My C of G is 170mm and it hovers just right. Might move it back a little more to the 180 mm max stated by Weston to see if it helps.

3D Hype
 

Had tail failure on mine but luckily when it landed the wing was in one piece. Weston replaced the fuse FOC. It was hard to tell what failed in the tail section on mine because it was in that many pieces. But I definitley had some flutter on the ground and even on the new fuse there was a lot of flex in the balsa fuse in front of the stab. I put in thin ply with lashings of epoxy but the other Hype flyer in the club soaked the balsa sides (just infront of the stab) in cyno. We both put balsa tristate on the inside above and below the stab. I was paranoid at this point so I put tristate on the outside as well. Looks ugly but I'd rather have a model that stays in one piece. Have flown about 15 times now and am loving it. Had to peel back the covering to put the battery just being the wing bolts. Think I might have to do this again.

3D Hype
 

Its actually built at the YT International Factory i'm told (by an rcme journalist who queried W-UK about them)... i'm not sure if YT have the same dreadfl quality , but the Hype is the worst quaility ARF i have ever SEEN never mind bought.

It flies really well.

I have moved my c/g back to 120, and this is the ONLY place i am happy with it. I was able to hover with it at 110, but im still considering going back to 125mm now... the book was way out.

yes: 120mm.

I mounted two standard servos in the tail, and this too is the ONLY way to get the c/g back without modifying to install the battery.

I am using an irvien 53 with no pipe, and an APC 13x4 prop.... i would like to use a wide bladed prop very soon.

If your covering comes off, tape it back or leave it off. Cyano will take the colkour out, and prymol will too, abnd ironing it back down doesnt work for more than 2 mins of a flight lol.

It hovers so steady that i've been able to pluck it from the sky by myself, something i could never dream of with the limbo dancers.


There are videos on the library on my website at www.3drc.info ... also pics in the gallery there.


http://www.3drc.info/images/hype26.12.02/hypehover2.jpg

3D Hype
 

What do the instructions say the CG should be ?

3D Hype
 

60mm - 80mm

3D Hype
 

The C of G is quoted on page 4 of the Hype 3D instructions under SETUP. It states 150mm-160mm from the leading edge of the wing. However you can go back to 180mm. I just measured back 80mm on mine and that doesn't come back further than the rear of the D section sheeting of the leading edge of the wing. Mine definetly is at 170mm back from the centre of the wing. It flies great and hovers all day at this.

I spoke with Weston and the boss tells me Model Tech made the first batch. Not sure if that is the same as YT.

When you put your servos in the back end, did you re-enforce the balsa cheeks or just add some hardwood or other.

3D Hype
 

Yup, I thought Nathan's figure was a little low. Mines at about 175mm but I haven't put any right thrust in yet which explains why it always pulls left out of a hover. I spoke to the head man at Weston after my crash and he said first batch had been made by ModelTech. The 'Hype Original' due in March will be made by same people who make the Cougar 2000.

3D Hype
 

Should be good then, the built quality on the Cougar's pretty good. Anyone know how the Hype 3d compares to the Wildcard thats just started to be sold?

3D Hype
 

Hard choice between the Irvine Wildcard and the Flair Giles 3D. I went Flair and should get it in the next few days. I've never had a problem with quality with them and after the Hype thought I'd play safe. I'd be interested to know how people are doing with the Wildcard as well. It seem remarkably cheap (by UK prices) at £99 for what it is.

PIC OF 3 D MODEL
 

Is the pic you put in the Flair Giles 3 D. How much is it. looks good quality. What sizes of engine is advised. What weight also do they say it comes out at. Does it have servos down the back end. The Hype Original due out is supposed to still have closed loop elevators. Rather have sevos at the back end.

3D Hype
 

All the specs for the Giles 3D are on http://www.flairproducts.co.uk under Flair ARTFs. Says it has unlimited vertical on Irvine 53. Get mine on Saturday for about £110. Elevator servo appears to be in the tail.

Flair models
 

I have a Flair Edge 540. I weighed the ailerons due to them feeling odd. One weighed 67gms, the other 132gms. It felt like a cricket bat. They did replace it but you would have hoped someone would look at this before the poor old customer finds it. Would have to fly knife edge all the time if I had fitted the original heavy aileron with 9kg servos to drive it. I have had to add triangular balsa everywhere though to the joints as the butt joints are poor all over it.

3D Hype
 

Yeah, Flair Edge 540 does appear to be an exception to Flair quality standards. There are several threads on it. I've got a Swallow EX with a Laser 150sn and it rocks.

Flair Swallow
 

Some firends of mine have the Swallow and the F1 and u/c ply plates rip out unless you re-enforce them. Has yours done this yet.

3D Hype
 

Yup, I'm that man. Ha Ha Ha. Fleet & District MAC right ? Didn't look at your location details on the left.

All slotted back together though with some epoxy. IVADIT....now who can that be ?

DM

who am I
 

Don't know, who are you.

G R

3D Hype
 

A friend of has bought the Flair Giles 3 D. It cost £118. Take a very careful look at it though because it will need some reinforcement. The rudder is all flying with no fin. And is held on with two cyno hinges. The rudder is built very light. The fire wall will need to be reinforced with some tri stock, and the fuz its self will need some type of reinforcement as it will twist laterally with the wing off. The wing mounts on the top of the fuz and a moulting is is used for the canopy etc. The gustimate is under 4lbs with the YS 63 ready to fly. At this weight a good 36 will be an option. I will keep you posted as to how ir goes.

Kris

3D Hype
 

There are a few Giles 3D planes at my LHS. Just appeared from nowhere really. Construction looks pretty good but of course going over the structure with CA never hurts. These planes weigh very little and look like they could be pretty fun to fly.

FDMAC member
 

DITCHIT, I am close. Aldershot Model Club.

GR

3D Hype
 

We probably have a mutual friend in Dennis at Concorde Models. Good luck with the Hype and post some hovering pics soon. I'll be trying again this weekend.

Ditchit

Flair kits
 

We fly Flair kits here also. There all crap put together. Unless you build a/c yorself you will not get a perfect ARF. Flair are just as bad as the others. So long as you re-inforce them at the F1/u/c/wing bolt/sides/tail/wing/fin/stab, oh well everywhere, then they will split somewhere.

They still fly well though.

GR

3D Hype
 

Tell ya, the best ARF I have ever coem across is Kyosho .... i have had my kyosho cap for 3 years now, its been my primary model all 3.. its gone through 4 motos, thats how heavy use it's had! Estimated over 150 flying hours.... i recovered it last year, but to be honest, the covering was still fine, and the structure, whilst a little heavy, is very robust and well designed.... i love it! Now using a YS 63. ..

I am tempted by the flip 3D..very tempted!

3D Hype
 

Got a Hype 3D but still hav'nt flown it yet. The weather ....enough said!!
Although today I got a few hours flying my Magic....Ervine 40 (from my old trainer!) Still trying to get it to hover but the wind today was about 15mph!
Anyone with advice on starting to hover would be appreciated. :confused:

3D Hype
 

www.3drc.info ..... i have a pile of vids here with me hovering my hype, and tomorrow i shall try to get one of me catching it, unfortuantely i have had to change the prop... hopefully this wont make the vital difference but im working to get another 13x4W.

Another thing, with your hype 3d, put soem foam (that sticky backed stuff) between the uc plate and the u/c... you'll be MEGA sorry if you don't because i can guarantee that the slightest knock will see you repairing the front end intensely... in my opinion whoever things that 1/8th ply is any good for a u/c plate wants to give up! Dont fly it without some sort of shock absorber.

UC
 

Absolutely right Nathan. UC plate on Hype is ridiculous. Good idea on the foam. Have you moved your CG further back just by moving the nicad further back or have you added some lead to the tail. I'm going to be experimenting this morning with my setup. Weather looks nice and clear for a change. Piccies later hopefully.