HANGER-9 ShowTime power source
 

I am an accomplished RC pilot looking to start some 3-D flying. I am thinking of flying the Hanger-9 ShowTime 90. I have been told to use the Saito 100. I am wondering if the Saito 125 would be a better choice in the long run? I have been told you need alot of power to weight ratio but sometimes TO much power can hinder the new 3-D pilot. Any insight into which engine would be best for my applications would be appreciated. Thanks . Keith

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If you have the choice - definitely go for the 1.25 It is a far better fit to that airframe than the 1.00.
The 1.00 will power it OK, but when you need that little bit more (like if you get into trouble while learning) it is lacking. The 1.25 is not an overkill by any means.

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Thank you very much. I know we are cutting hairs but as we all know, a hair might just save you as you promply stated. Keith

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It'll be interesting to see others comments on this one.

I'm sure we'll see the YS people espousing that product, the OS people espousing that one and the myriad others espousing those products. I specifically limited my answer to address the two engines in your original question.

With that being said, If I was to build another Showtime (My last one broke[&o]) and could choose any engine, it would be a YS 110 (I only bought my first one of this brand a few months ago) - We all have throttle thumbs right???

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We have a guy at our field with a Saito 150 in his Showtime! It doesn't have any problems other than the vibration the motor generates so he going to switch over to a soft mount.
I say go for it!
Peter

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I use a BCMA 26cc (1.6 ci) gas engine in my Showtime. I like the convenience and economy of gasoline and the onboard ignition as a standard. But, if I were going to go glow, I'd go with that YS!

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I have a YS 110 in mine. Although the engine is difficult to learn because its a different sort of system than the saito, once you learn it, its quite spectacular. I got mine for the simple fact that I think the supercharging concept is interesting. The power is just right, IMO. It is by no means "crazy overpowered". It just has unlimited verticle and pull out from a hover is good. I too am just learning some of the 3d flight and I am very happy with the Showtime. If you look at the Showtime thread in this forum, you will see that people trying to 3-d with the Showtime are dissappointed with the Saito 100. People are also satisfied with the Saito 125. I believe that the two engines are similar in price (if you get the YS110 from Central Hobbies --www.centralhobbies.com --about $325). I also like the sound of the YS110 --they do shake a lot though.

Also, if you look on the thread in this forum for the Maxair Velox, you will see in about the middle of the thread, a gentleman with very good knowledge of 3d and engines has tried both a saito 125 and a YS110 in that airframe (velox is just a bit lighter than the showtime, but similar in size and same engine class).

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If you read the large thread on the Showtime 90 you will get to learn from all of us that have been flying it for over a year now.

R/C Foolish

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i'd go the OS 120 ax, superb engine & i'd run a 17X6 prop.

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Thanks for the advice guys. I did read the the threads recomended and got ALOT of info. I think at my skill level, any of the planes talked about would be fine( ShoweTime, Velox, Funtana). All seem to be very 3-D capable. Definetly sounds like the Saito 100 would be to small. The Saito 125 or 150 might be a better choice. I have most of my experience with 2-strokes and am thinking maybe the new 120 ax would be a good engine for my needs. I think weight to power ratio is really not an issue here. The small gasers, I will have to look into as I did not think of that. Anymore comments are greatly appreciated. Thanks Keith

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I run a Saito 150 in my Showtime and I love it! I don't have any problems with it at all. It flies great and has all the 3D power on demand.

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Sorry to have thrown the gas engines into the mix! =)

I have only recently discovered gas engines, and I really like them. One of the advantages, like I mentioned, is the onboard ignition system. Sometimes glow engines, even if tuned correctly, don't idle for too long. Gas engines, with the electronic ignition, have a more steady, reliable idle I've found. Now, you can always put onboard glow on your plane, and it may end up weighing a little less even, and that would solve that issue. So, it's really just a matter of preference. The BCMA 26cc gas engine is a really good match for this plane, and it sells for about $275. As far as gas engines go, it's very light. And, gasoline is much cheaper than glow fuel.

A lot of people buy gas engines, run them a few tanks, and give up, thinking the gas engine is not going to be powerful enough. The fact is that it takes 2-4 gallons of gas to break in a gasser, and during that time the performance will go up and up. When I first flew the Showtime, it seemed like it barely had enough power to hover. Now that I've put about 20 hours on the plane and engine, vertical performance is unlimited and it easily pulls out of the hover. I did not need any extra weight to balance it out, either, I just moved the Rx pack toward the rear of the plane.

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The Saito 150 sound like the engine if I go with Saito. I gather the YS-110 is the YS engine for the ST. How well does the BCMA fit in the cowl of the ST ? I have not seen this engine and have no idea. You guys have been allot of help and I appreciate it. I have been flying for 20 years but have very little experience in 3-D or gasers in small planes. I do have Large scale with the larger gasers but not the smaller gasers. This is a great forum for info. Thanks . Keith

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I had to grind out the cowl quite a bit for the muffler and carb for the BCMA 26cc to fit since they stick out the sides. The shape of the Showtime's cowl is not very good for a side-mounted muffler or carb, to be honest. And, to be even more honest, if I were better at cowl-carving, I could have made mine look a lot better.

Hey, if you don't mind the cost of the YS or Saito and the glow fuel to run them, go for it. At this size, it's really just a personal preference if you want to go with gassers since they weigh more. I find that my Showtime flies very well, and I'm happy with the gas engine in front. Once you get a little bigger airplane, gas will really be the only practical choice.

-Pat