And a plane can't go out of control at a AMA field or a AMA member can't do something stupid? The AMA is the " only game in town" remember Sport Flyers? The AMA wasn't real happy about someone else playing in the sandbox with them. They threaten to pull our Charter because we tried to have both organizations representing ourselves to the site owner. The Sport Flyers program was your primary insurance not secondary like the AMA. I for one was sorry to see them go. Yes I'm a AMA member and yes I vote in every election. My complaint is it seems like the AMA just does not get the message that the membership is not happy with the present course of the AMA. We have a right to demand answers and question how things are done. After all it is our money. Mike