Evening phayd,wasn't trying to shoot any one down,just stating what I see at our clubs,with a trainer a pilot can barrel roll,roll, 4 point roll, 1/2 roll then back either direction,fly straight,fly straight inverted,flat turns with rudder,slip the plane with rudder,stall turns,tail slides,cross wind take off and landings,deadstick landings,touch and goes,spins and inverted spins,also snaps.Agree the spins and snaps aren't a thing of beauty,but they can be recognized,the nice part is if one gets in trouble learning the controls the trainer can save the day,my Ultimate only gets worse if one messes up,if one learns this basics while on the trainer then the other modles are easy to master,you only need to get the timing down,most people including me try to land as soft and easy as possible.