Thank you guys for the info. as far as the setup goes, i have hitech, 5645 mg on all the control surfaces, i am using a beula 22X8 carbon fiber prop. elevators have 40 degrees up and 45 degrees down at 70% expo. engine has no more than one and half gallons through it. flat spin is not too bad under some power, it will knifedge spin very well. as far as the harrier goes, its like a rocking chair, all over the sky. some say i need to use flaperons cus. it works like trainning gears. i traded some massages with Joe Hunt, from DOD, he also has the same plane, and he told me that he moved his CG about an inch forward from where it was recomended, which is 5 to 5 1/2 inches from the leading edge, and that really blew my mind, (moving the CG forward?) maby be he meant back, but either way. i would love nothing more than coming up and flying with some of you professionals, but around here ( Ardmore Oklahoma) not to many people have the desire for any D's, let alone 3D.