I remember once when I was learning nose in, I put it in the ground. One of the more experienced guys at the field came over and said that he didn't understand why people are fussing over perfecting nose in before getting into fff. He said that when you start ff, you'll eventually gain more experience naturally in different orientations, and the heli will be high so you still have time to recover to tail in when you get all messed up. I kinda see his point on this........I guess everyone has their own learning curve.