I like to start up a little high, roll to KE & cut throttle so a slow HA KE is started, then cut throttle a little more, hold the KE & let it drop as steep as possible, the real "pucker" comes when its so low you cant stand it any more, then feed in throttle to fly a low HA KE DOD. The U-Can-Do and Velox are great for this. ( the best IMO in this size)