Thanks Heliko. I'll give that I try. You might have something there with the CNC swash. I've always looked at it and felt like it sat too high. But then again, if it couldn't be because if the servos are at 90 and the linkages are the right lengths then the swash should be sitting at the precisely correct position... hmmm unless the swash calls for a shorter linkage. I'll look at that too. I just don't think I can crank down my blade grip linkages, they look pretty cranked down as it is. Well at least I have some stuff to try now. Thanks.