LOL , read some accounts of the first guys to pilot the FBW F16's and 22's , they actually said it was kinda boring and like a video game . They preferred the old interaction between the pilot and aircraft feeling . Everything changes and what is an improvement for some will make it boring for others . Same sort of new technology debates even in the motorcycling roadracing world of today . All the electronic engine management systems coupled with slipper clutches , electronic steering dampers , traction control , Anti-lock linked braking systems , and yes , Fly by wire throttle systems on the newest bikes just about take all the skill out of riding one fast Very easy for a lot of guys to get in over thier heads with all the easy gizmos instilling a false sense of security right out of the box . When the #### hits the fan , as it will eventually , you still need to know how to ride a bike or people can get hurt .

And no I do not fly without a gyro but I can hover the heli and do simple FF around the backyard with it disconnected , can you ? Gyros have been with us for quite some time and considered the norm . Maybe the automatic leveling co-pilots type stuff will be the norm one day even on the professionals 3d machines but I hope not . Some people even get satisfaction from someone else flying the heli while they watch ....not for me

...and don't take things so personal , a lot of rude sarcasm in that post that a couple of smilies don't hide . I stated it was my opinion , never said anyone was stupid or anything if they chose to continue using one . The thread was about using the co-pilot or a sim and I think the best way to become a good heli pilot is the sim .