i just picked up 2 cen onroads, new in the box for $230 for the 2, lol. they are not the ct5 but an older version, they have the 2 speed and all, i will post pics later, i couldnt turn it down, he wanted 150 each, then i said how much for 2 and he said 250, then i was like how about 230 and he was like sold, lol. just what i need, more rc's.