umm sooo Far from the truth..Ive built 2 Hyper's and 2 Losi's and NO WAY imo is the hyper gonna turn inside the losi....and ive raced agains't a couple ST's...and No which way in Heck were they goin under the 8ight...i find it funny when guys compare truck's they have NEVER even had the pleasure to work on or drive none the less.