"wow" you reek diplomacy my freind. I like you already. Ive read some of your posts and seen the vids. I like what I saw and heard and you seem smart and quite dedicated to helis as I am. Mind you Im more of an RTF guy, You know ,the" instant gratification" kind. Anyways, ya, Im not really struggling with single rotor basics...I mean its not really rocket science. I have experience with the axe cp before I went the coax route. I will admit "I dont know why" but I really didnt find it all that hard getting the thing off the floor and hovering once it was balanced and trimmined properly...the axe cp I mean. I could hover it with no real problem. *maybe I have the thumbs*.. My biggest mistake was listening to the advice online thats when all my trimming issues and mixer board issues etc started. I should have left the axe cp the way it was out of the box and just flew it. Not to say the online advice is great and there are alot of helpful and very smart savvy heli guys out there *thanks to all* past and present, but Ive learned to take it all with a grain of salt now and read from the side lines and only post when absolutly necessary... I believe now the old saying..."if it aint broke why *f...ck* with it." for lack of a better word. The cx2 was different, it was worthy of u/g'ing, I love the CX2 due to not having to play around with gyro settings and servo links etc etc. Im watching the cp pro 2 right now and the new e-sky "Big Lama" and they are looking pretty darn good. B400 no way too many issues and u/g's to buy to get it even to fly right. I had a crashed one I bought for $100 ,and to see it up close on my desk, way to much hype online before its release, It wasnt what I expected @ all from eflite. I have to say that was a bad RTF they came out with IMO. So you see Im not confused anymore as I was in the beginning stages of this hobby as to what to buy where to get it whats what and whos who and so on and so forth. Ive really educated myself with constant online reading, ok, * i have no life*..un.. unless im flying my heli. he he. or working "of course"...? I have absolutly no interest in 3D flying @ all, just lazy circuits and figure 8's and maybe some fast forward flying but thats the extent of it. For me the less fiddling and tweaking the more time I have to fly. Simple eh..? *wink* Then again Im just a simple guy and thats that as we say.