I have been playing around with skinned hinges for about 2 years. Mike Del Ponte was one of the first (that I read) that put a pretty detailed description of his method out on the web. His post inspired me to give it a try. My first couple attempts were crude at best. Most often they were quite stiff, and I always worried about them failing, or having a servo fail trying to move them. Although they were awfully stiff, they still seemed to work quite well. Ever since those first few attempts, I've tried to improve the method with every new racer.

My latest breakthrough came to me from another local racer who started using Fiberglass sheet as his hinge material. Fiberglass sheet is available from aerospace composites.

http://www.acp-composites.com/acp-fs.htm

For aileron hinges I'm using .010 thickness which seems to work very well. My next installment to this thread will detail skinned hinges to the V-tail elevators where I will use .005 thickness.

The first step I take is to mark out my ailerons (top and bottom) on the wing. I use 11" length ailerons (personal preference), starting 5" from the centerline of the wing. I mark a line 1 1/4" from the trailing edge of the wing, and another at 1 5/8" the entire length of the aileron. These two lines mark the area that you will cut out. I like to make my cuts from the top of the wing, no matter how straight you hold the xacto, its never quite as straight on the other side. I guess I would rather have is perfect on top.

Here is a picture to try and show how I make the cut.

If you cut out the hinge gap with the directions above, you should have a 3/8" gap.

DO NOT CUT THE EDGES OF THE AILERONS YET. By leaving these uncut until later, you will get a perfectly straight aileron.

At this point, if you are using a foam sheeted wing, its time to cap the foam on the inside of the hinge line (both sides). I use 1/16" balsa, and glue with plain ole elmers, tape in place, and let dry overnight. After the glue is dry, remove the tape, and sand smooth.

After the foam is capped, I mark and cut (on the bottom of the wing ((this is a high wing)) a groove for the torque rods to sit). You only want to go through one layer of balsa here, not all the through the other side. I use a smaller flatheaded screwdriver to push most of the foam out of the way.

I like to use Dubro Heavy duty EZ adjust Strip Ailerons as shown in the picture. I think alot of people started using this heavy duty stuff because of how stiff most of the skinned hinges had become. I may go back to 4 / 40 because they hinges are not nearly as stiff as some of my early attempts.


I typically have the prong of the torque rod enter the aileron about 3" in. Some people like to get it closer to the center of the surface, but 3" seems to work for me. With the heavier rod, I have been hesitant to extend it due to the heavy weight of the rod.

Now I cut the spot into the aileron (at 3") where the prong of the torque rod will sit. I like to cut this groove with a 1/4" sanding drum on my dremel tool. This leaves an oversized hole, but I prefer that. It gives plenty of area for the glue to hold the prong in place. It also gives you a tad of leeway when bending the torque rod to size.

Its time to share one of my dearest secrets.

Over the years I have tried just about everything on torque rods, to stop epoxy from sticking to it. By far the best material I have found is Crisco Shortning. That white pasty stuff, we use to fry chicken in. Laugh all you want, but this stuff works good. I would also bet, that theres probably a can in the cupboard that hasn't been used for a while.

I put a mark on the torque rod with a marker just as it enters the hinge gap. I apply a generous amount of crisco to the torque rod up to the mark and set the torque rod in place.

Now that you have the torque rod greased up and in place its time to add the filler.

I use Zpoxy finishing resin, and then mix a very healthy batch of microballoons into it. Consistancy should be close to that of toothpaste. I carfully scoop, and press this stuff into the area over the prong, and into the groove above the torque rods.

I apply a bit, let it settle, and add a little more. Try not to get to close to the edge near the hinge gap, this stuff tends to run a bit as it settles, and you don't want a bunch dripping into your hinge line of the aileron. I have made simple dams out of scotch tape before, but if you get it thick enough, this is really not necessary. After a while of playing with it, its time to sit back and let things dry.

Once the resin dries, I usually wait overnight, I fill in any voids or gaps with lightweight spackle.

Here is a closer look:

Its time to start working on the top of the wing, and the hinge.

The hinge I use is the Fiberglass .010 sheet I mentioned in the post above. Make sure that you cut your hinge out of the sheet so that you are using the bias (45 degrees to the mesh) of the material on your hinge line. This wastes a bit more material, but this stuff is only $14 for a 12" x 48" sheet, thats almost enough material to do 10 quickees. The width of the hinge is 1 3/8", this gives 1/2" overlay on both the aileron and the wing. I carefully draw the location and size of the hinge I plan to use.

The problem I saw with using the fiberglass sheet, was how the heck do you recess it into the wing so that it sat flush. I attempted to use the G.P. Electric Razor plane on some scrap material, but it just didn't seem to do the trick. I couldn't keep a consistant depth or straight line.

I decided to make a special sanding block, the exact width (1 3/8") of the size of the hinge. I then clamped a board to the TE of the aileron that lined up even with the rear edge of line I had marked on the aileron.

I carefully ran my custom sanding block along the guide back and forth. It took a little time and was a little tricky on the edges, but I was able to get a pretty consistant .010 depth recess the exact size of the hinge I planned to use.

Once I had the recess in place, it was easy to glue the fiberglass sheet hinge in place.

The fiberglass sheet is pretty smooth stuff, so I was worried about glue sticking to it. I roughed up the bottom side of the hinge pretty good with 120 grit sand paper. I then cleaned the hinge with isopropyl alcahol to remove the residue.

Once I was satisfied with the fit of the hinge into the recess, I mixed up some 20 minute epoxy, and lightly brushed it in place in the recess. I stuck the hinge on the epoxy, and carefully taped the hinge in place making sure that it firmly was attached to the wood with a good glue seal.

After I got both sides glued and taped, I flipped the wind upside down (top of the wind down) and placed it back into the foam shuck. I added quite a bit of weight to the bottom of the wing, and let it sit overnight to make sure the glue bonded properly.

Here is a picture of one of the ailerons after I removed the tape the next day.

The hinges fit very well, and I only needed to use very small amounts of light weight filler around the edges. I was amazed at how smooth of a fit the hinge line was.

At this point I sawed the edges of the aileron. I typically fiberglass my whole wing with 3/4 oz glass, prime and paint, so I really should have waited on sawing the edges, but they looked so good I had to check them out.

After sawing through the edges with a fine bladed Zona saw, carefully break the torque rods loose. If you used Crisco, they will be loose almost instantly (to your relief).

Here is a picture showing a little up aileron:

And a little Down Elevator:

I can honestly say, these are by far the smoothest, bind free, skin hinges I have ever seen. I also do not feel concerned that the fiberglass sheet will break.

The last thing that needs to be done, is to cover the gap on the bottom of the wing.

I used the fiberglass sheet again, and another custom sanding block and jig to recess the sheet. I planned on a 1/2" overlay onto the wing, and left a good 1/8" gap between the rear of the sheet and the aileron. This gives you a little room to apply hinge tape after the wing is painted.

I use Hinge tape that is available at Northeast Sailplane products. This stuff is about a 1" wide and has adhesive on one half the width, and clear mylar on the other half.

After I get the wing painted, I will trim some of this tape so that the sticky part will attach to the aileron, and the clear mylar will fit under the lip that I just attached.

Thats really all there is to it. I wouldn't have gotten this far, if I hadn't just decided one day to give it a try. The first one, was a little tricky, but they have gotten much easier, and at this point are as easy, if not easier than doing the old torque rod, CA hinge routine.

I would really like to thank Mike Del Ponte, for giving me direction a couple years ago, and Pat Galerneaut locally for sharing the fiberglass sheet with me.

Here is a picture of the bottom gap sealed up. I used Thick CA for this rather than epoxy. Either would work for the bottom, but I don't think I would trust CA on the top.

DN, very cool man! So now you are gonna glass the wing and whats your method for that? Do you glass again over the ailerons?

BV

Since I would rather paint than monokote, the entire wing will get 3/4 oz cloth and paint.

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Quick question.....(or Quickie question)
Could you get away with a single aileron on a Quickie?
I had used a single aileron on the right wing of an original design 1/2A racer, ( thinking if there was any off center drag, it would pull the nose up in a left hand pylon turn.) and it worked quite well.
The roll rate was a little slower, but axial, and I figured it would give me a little less drag. Not sure if it would work on a 40 sized racer.

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Super post!
I appreciate the information and the obvious outstanding effort that went into the presentation.

I'm looking forward to the elevator installment.

Many thanks, my hinges tend to be rather stiff as well and it's always a pain to dig out the balsa wood from the skin hinge line. I even made a special tool, but the results are not what I would like.

I have three wings skinned right now and will give your method a go.

Thanks,
Stan Douglas

The elevator installment will have to happen on my next plane. This one already has the elevator fiberglassed and almost ready to go.

Also, the next quickee I'm building will be an OU812, so not exactly sure how I'll hinge it being a conventional tail.

Great posting, now I have seen two methods, one by Dave and the other by Bill. This kind of stuff should be in the NMPRA newsletter and would also make a great article for the Pylon racing column in the AMA mag . There is a guy in my club who is into gliders and he is going to show me how he does it too. He uses some type of filter paper that has a bi-directional weave pattern and it is super strong and flexible.


2 THUMBS UP!!!!!


Lewis

I had done a couple with crude success after discussions Bill but later on when he posted his thread on the subject realized I had neglected the 45 bias thing. So resolved to do it right next time.

Next time was yesterday and I had just finished laying up the glass and bagging the tail (except my bags have sand in them, cheap) went in and sat down to the computer to find your great thread Dave only to be reminded, Dang I forgot the bias thing agine! So please Dave next time you come up with such a neat thread Please try to do it oh, an hour earlier in the day.

Now I need an opinion, maybe I should just give this tail to Boyd!!! Naaa

John

The funny thing about the Bias, is I forgot to mention it originally.

It wasn't until afterwards that I remembered, and went back an edited the post.

I have one tail, that has the fiberglass applied without using the bias, and the hingeline has a nice white line down the middle, and I'm afraid to fly it without fixing.

Contender;
Reference your question on the single aileron:

No! Not really a good alternative to practice and good flying. The single aileron takes more control to do the job than conventional. It does fly the aircraft and allows for good control during high speed. Aileron roll up for turns seem to resemble a boat sliding up a wave sideways. During low speed/landings and say 25 mph winds the wing has a tendency of losing it's effectiveness and stalling.

Yep,

I did the bottom this morning, and the top this evening. Takes me about 45 minutes to do each side. I left about 8 hours between sides.

Here is a pic of the top:

And a little closer look:

I've been using Water Based Poly as my fiberglassing resin for some time. In fact, I've used this can for several planes now.

I see little reason in going back to epoxy resin. You don't have to mix it, or thin it, and its a heck of a lot cheaper. Also, its much easier to clean up and reuse your brushes in comparison to epoxy.

This is what I've been using.