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Old 02-18-2011, 02:20 PM
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Default Press Release from AMA - Update on Upcoming FAA regulation changes

Hot off the press at that AMA.

http://www.modelaircraft.org/files/PR-Senate-2-2011.pdf

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Old 02-18-2011, 02:27 PM
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Wow !!! Great news !!!! Thanks for posting that !!!
Old 02-18-2011, 02:49 PM
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One big, heavy, steel-toed BOOT in FAA's groin, right there!
Old 02-18-2011, 02:53 PM
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Very good news and as always the AMA has been working for the benefit of it's membership.

I am sure though that somebody here will find something to complain about.

Brad
Old 02-18-2011, 03:19 PM
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Looks like the 3 parameters boil down to the good ole
You no pay Muncie, you no flyee


Odd how right after we actually pay a lobbyist,
AMA is on the road to becoming a federally mandated purchase,
perhaps we should have paid a lobbyist years/decades ago
Old 02-18-2011, 03:22 PM
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Get over it Kid, it has nothing to do with what you keep saying.
Old 02-18-2011, 03:31 PM
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ORIGINAL: KidEpoxy

Looks like the 3 parameters boil down to the good ole
You no pay Muncie, you no flyee


Odd how right after we actually pay a lobbyist,
AMA is on the road to becoming a federally mandated purchase,
perhaps we should have paid a lobbyist years/decades ago
Hmm,
I saw "operated in accordance" with CBO guidelines,
not, " must join CBO".
Old 02-18-2011, 03:38 PM
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ORIGINAL: KidEpoxy

Looks like the 3 parameters boil down to the good ole
You no pay Muncie, you no flyee


Odd how right after we actually pay a lobbyist,
AMA is on the road to becoming a federally mandated purchase,
perhaps we should have paid a lobbyist years/decades ago
As I predicted.........you can always count on KidEpoxy to find a reason to complain about anything good the AMA does.

Brad
Old 02-18-2011, 03:47 PM
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AMA said
The bill now moves to the House of Representatives, which is expected to rule on the matter in the very near future.
ok, they are going to rule on the matter
... and what matter is that again?



oh, right s223, the bill that needs to be vote in for -
To authorize Dona Ana County, New Mexico, to exchange certain land conveyed to it for airport purposes.
To allow the IRA rollover of amounts received in airline carrier bankruptcy.
To reduce the total amount authorized to be appropriated for the Federal Aviation Administration for fiscal year 2011 to the total amount authorized to be appropriated for the Administration for fiscal year 2008.

... and those are just some of the amendments. There also is a toy airplane amendment tack on with the other 100+ amendments to the bill

Has anyone here actually read s223 and the 100+ amendments to it
before judging it?
Cause i recall folks have been getting riled at the fed voting without reading
Old 02-18-2011, 03:48 PM
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Default RE: Press Release from AMA - Update on Upcoming FAA regulation changes

And just what has AMA done for me lately?
Old 02-18-2011, 03:54 PM
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Nothing in the bill about metal props? The AMAsucks.
Old 02-18-2011, 04:30 PM
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ORIGINAL: KidEpoxy

AMA said
The bill now moves to the House of Representatives, which is expected to rule on the matter in the very near future.
ok, they are going to rule on the matter
... and what matter is that again?



oh, right s223, the bill that needs to be vote in for -
To authorize Dona Ana County, New Mexico, to exchange certain land conveyed to it for airport purposes.
To allow the IRA rollover of amounts received in airline carrier bankruptcy.
To reduce the total amount authorized to be appropriated for the Federal Aviation Administration for fiscal year 2011 to the total amount authorized to be appropriated for the Administration for fiscal year 2008.

... and those are just some of the amendments. There also is a toy airplane amendment tack on with the other 100+ amendments to the bill

Has anyone here actually read s223 and the 100+ amendments to it
before judging it?
Cause i recall folks have been getting riled at the fed voting without reading
Here you go:http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquer...:@@@L&summ2=m&

Have fun!

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Default RE: Press Release from AMA - Update on Upcoming FAA regulation changes

Inhofe is very influential in the full scale world and FAA. This is really a good thing!!
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" Operated in accordance with a community-based set of safety guidelines within the programming of a nationwide community-based organization;"

i think kid's sticking point is the last 9 words of the complete bullet point quote.
and he may have something there.
Old 02-18-2011, 05:38 PM
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ORIGINAL: mongo

within the programming of a nationwide community-based organization'

i think kid's sticking point is the last 9 words of the complete bullet point quote.
and he may have something there.

Even though it sounds as if congress is voting our way, that phrasing sounds kinda funky to me aslo. Generally if you already have a right to do something, any legislation giving you the right that you already have is actually limiting that right in some way.

What does, "within the programming of a nationwide CBO" mean?
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Default RE: Press Release from AMA - Update on Upcoming FAA regulation changes

PF-
heh, its the feds way of stepping on states rights
in regard to intrastate CBOs restricted from doing what interstate CBOs can
I guess
Old 02-18-2011, 06:10 PM
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Default RE: Press Release from AMA - Update on Upcoming FAA regulation changes

Does "nationwide" include US territories also? Because I don't think we have an AMA club in Guam or American Samoa. Sorry AMA, you might not qualify as a nationwide CBO. JK
Old 02-18-2011, 06:21 PM
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The meat and potatos (/potatoes)
(g) Special Rule for Model Aircraft.

(1) IN GENERAL.Notwithstanding any other provision of law relating to the incorporation of unmanned aircraft systems into FAA plans and policies,, including this section, the Administrator shall not promulgate any rules or regulations regarding model aircraft or aircraft being developed as model aircraft if such aircraft is

(A) flown strictly for recreational, sport, competition, or academic purposes;

(B) operated in accordance with a community-based set of safety guidelines and within the programming of a nationwide community-based organization; and

(C) limited to not more than 55 pounds unless otherwise certified through a design, construction, inspection, flight test, and operational safety program currently administered by a community-based organization.

(2) MODEL AIRCRAFT DEFINED.For purposes of this subsection, the term ``model aircraft'' means a nonhuman-carrying (unmanned) radio-controlled aircraft capable of sustained flight in the atmosphere, navigating the airspace and flown within visual line-of-sight of the operator for the exclusive and intended use for sport, recreation, competition, or academic purposes.
so
- "Notwithstanding any other provision of law"... is that saying this stuff dont matter if there are aother laws killing models, or is it saying no other laws can apply besides this particular text? Whats the point of saying ~'The law declares Models not illegal unless there are laws against them'

- Could someone point out the part of the senators text that says FAA gets a chance to look at a CBOs guidelines/prorgamming/standards/etc... no less that the FAA may approve or deny any national CBO's stuff?

- ProBros are a national/international CBO, right?
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Thanks for posting this RCKen. I've been waiting to buy a new turbine until the new rules came out. Maybe they won't outlaw them after all! I also got an e-mail from the AMA about the new large aircraft program. Now you can fly prop aircraft up to 125 pounds and jets up to 100 pounds!

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looks like some one ignored or forgot about the "law of unintended consequence."

there is a LOT that the feds cannot now tell us we cannot do, if this passes and gets signed.
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I for one say "Thank you, Ken" for posting this information. Actually some good news coming out of DC.
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AMENDMENT NO. 86

(Purpose: To provide for use of model aircraft for recreational and other purposes)
On page 245, between lines 7 and 8, insert the following:

(g) Special Rule for Model Aircraft.

(1) IN GENERAL.Notwithstanding any other provision of law relating to the incorporation of unmanned aircraft systems into FAA plans and policies,, including this section, the Administrator shall not promulgate any rules or regulations regarding model aircraft or aircraft being developed as model aircraft if such aircraft is

(A) flown strictly for recreational, sport, competition, or academic purposes;

(B) operated in accordance with a community-based set of safety guidelines and within the programming of a nationwide community-based organization; and

(C) limited to not more than 55 pounds unless otherwise certified through a design, construction, inspection, flight test, and operational safety program currently administered by a community-based organization.

(2) MODEL AIRCRAFT DEFINED.For purposes of this subsection, the term ``model aircraft'' means a nonhuman-carrying (unmanned) radio-controlled aircraft capable of sustained flight in the atmosphere, navigating the airspace and flown within visual line-of-sight of the operator for the exclusive and intended use for sport, recreation, competition, or academic purposes.
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Default RE: Press Release from AMA - Update on Upcoming FAA regulation changes

I applaud the AMA for their efforts to get such language incorporated into any legislation. I just hope it doesn't get lost in the current political environment. And it will perhaps serve to help the FAA in whatever rule gets published.

Brad
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ORIGINAL: wayne d

AMENDMENT NO. 86

(Purpose: To provide for use of model aircraft for recreational and other purposes)
On page 245, between lines 7 and 8, insert the following:

(g) Special Rule for Model Aircraft.

(1) IN GENERAL.Notwithstanding any other provision of law relating to the incorporation of unmanned aircraft systems into FAA plans and policies,, including this section, the Administrator shall not promulgate any rules or regulations regarding model aircraft or aircraft being developed as model aircraft if such aircraft is............
It's good to see that this info was posted rather quickly. So as not to have to mince words with the mighty KE, "Notwithstanding" has the same meaning (can be used in the same context of) as "In spite of". Therefore you can read that to say "In spite ofany other provision of law relating to the incorporation of unmanned aircraft systems into FAA plans and policies, including this section, the Administrator shall not promulgate...."
Meaning regardless of any rule or policy as it applies tosUAS or UAS, model aircraft as described will be "Exempt". "Shall or shall not",in legal terms is mandatorylanguage; simple enoughto understand (ask a lawyer). It's not a "kick in the groin" as someone posted, it's an unecessary burden off of its back. Given the misinformation and misconceptions on both sides, MA being exempt has been the FAAs foremostdirection along.

hk
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This thread proved the validity of the concept that some see the glass as half full and some as half empty.

Anybody that does not believe that the FAA will understand the implications of the U.S. Congress taking notice of the sUAS power grab just does not comprehend how bureaucrats work.

Brad

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