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Old 07-17-2016, 05:19 AM
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Old 07-17-2016, 05:28 AM
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Originally Posted by rcmiket View Post
Ya, I posted that yesterday, didn't you see that? oh wait.....

(sport even quoted it....)
Old 07-17-2016, 05:34 AM
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http://money.cnn.com/2016/07/15/tech...cue/index.html

Finally a decent story. Hope it's quoted so everyone can see the link....lol.
Old 07-17-2016, 06:08 AM
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Originally Posted by porcia83 View Post
really, isn't an empty street and empty street, you said so yourself?
Your example was drone flying in restricted airspace, not flying over streets, cars, people, etc.
Old 07-17-2016, 06:09 AM
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Originally Posted by porcia83 View Post
And yet the FAA's reason in part for bringing the case against Pirker was for doing exactly that....flying over people and cars.
But they lost the case.
Old 07-17-2016, 07:43 AM
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Originally Posted by Sport_Pilot View Post
But they lost the case.
Really? A fine was paid for sure, but it was a wildly successful case for Pirker and his attorney.
Old 07-17-2016, 08:05 PM
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Originally Posted by porcia83 View Post
Really? A fine was paid for sure, but it was a wildly successful case for Pirker and his attorney.
The FAA spent more on the case then they got back from the fine, that I am sure of.
Old 07-17-2016, 08:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Sport_Pilot View Post
The FAA spent more on the case then they got back from the fine, that I am sure of.
That's usually how it works by several orders of magnitude.

http://motherboard.vice.com/read/the...ttled-his-case
Old 07-18-2016, 03:46 AM
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Originally Posted by Sport_Pilot View Post
The FAA spent more on the case then they got back from the fine, that I am sure of.
If that's your metric of win/lose, o/k. The case was a huge win for Pirker in almost every way. A free defense, and massive publicity for his company. The FAA went after one guy for a seemingly minor infraction (even the NTSB said so), and accepted a "fine" of 10% of the original amount. FAA=Fail.
Old 07-18-2016, 03:53 AM
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Originally Posted by Chris P. Bacon View Post
That's usually how it works by several orders of magnitude.

http://motherboard.vice.com/read/the...ttled-his-case
Actually most fines are accepted and paid for with no contest. No cost except for the FAA inspector and those preparing the documents and recording the data.
Old 07-18-2016, 03:58 AM
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Originally Posted by Sport_Pilot View Post
Actually most fines are accepted and paid for with no contest. No cost except for the FAA inspector and those preparing the documents and recording the data.
With parking tickets and motor vehicle violations that's true. I don't believe the FAA writes tickets for $35 penalties. Considering the cost of the FAA fines I'd venture a guess a much higher percentage are contested than for motor vehicle violations.
Old 07-18-2016, 04:05 AM
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Originally Posted by Sport_Pilot View Post
Actually most fines are accepted and paid for with no contest. No cost except for the FAA inspector and those preparing the documents and recording the data.
Might be the case with "most", but certainly not with the instant case. All the legal research, multiple hearings, briefs, etc etc went well into 6 figures. Pirkers defense was no different. It would have probably bankrupted most, and it's not something typically covered by insurance either. If you want to call collecting a $1,100 fine a win for the FAA, so be it. Hundreds of thousands of dollars and countless manhours spent, to lose some rulings along the way, then get questioned by the NTSB over what they were doing.....please.
Old 07-18-2016, 04:14 AM
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Originally Posted by porcia83 View Post
Might be the case with "most", but certainly not with the instant case. All the legal research, multiple hearings, briefs, etc etc went well into 6 figures. Pirkers defense was no different. It would have probably bankrupted most, and it's not something typically covered by insurance either. If you want to call collecting a $1,100 fine a win for the FAA, so be it. Hundreds of thousands of dollars and countless manhours spent, to lose some rulings along the way, then get questioned by the NTSB over what they were doing.....please.
No kidding. Add up all those hours and hourly rates and like you said, well into the 6 figures. The taxpayers made out great on that one.
Old 07-18-2016, 06:30 AM
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Originally Posted by Chris P. Bacon View Post
With parking tickets and motor vehicle violations that's true. I don't believe the FAA writes tickets for $35 penalties. Considering the cost of the FAA fines I'd venture a guess a much higher percentage are contested than for motor vehicle violations.
They write tickets and suspend license. I know of at least one pilot who paid his fine and waited till his license was reactivated. Costs big money to contest the FAA so I guess you are very wrong about that.
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Originally Posted by Sport_Pilot View Post
They write tickets and suspend license. I know of at least one pilot who paid his fine and waited till his license was reactivated. Costs big money to contest the FAA so I guess you are very wrong about that.
All the KIA's represent themselves.
Old 07-18-2016, 07:12 AM
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Originally Posted by porcia83 View Post
Might be the case with "most", but certainly not with the instant case. All the legal research, multiple hearings, briefs, etc etc went well into 6 figures. Pirkers defense was no different. It would have probably bankrupted most, and it's not something typically covered by insurance either. If you want to call collecting a $1,100 fine a win for the FAA, so be it. Hundreds of thousands of dollars and countless manhours spent, to lose some rulings along the way, then get questioned by the NTSB over what they were doing.....please.
I think we are in agreement here. I did not say it was a win for the FAA. Most fines are unchallenged.
Old 07-18-2016, 07:13 AM
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Originally Posted by Chris P. Bacon View Post
All the KIA's represent themselves.
Not all. And most don't even challenge.
Old 07-18-2016, 07:19 AM
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Originally Posted by Sport_Pilot View Post
Not all. And most don't even challenge.
I was referring specifically to the tried and true KIAs, not the wannabes.
Old 07-18-2016, 07:24 AM
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Originally Posted by Chris P. Bacon View Post
I was referring specifically to the tried and true KIAs, not the wannabes.
And a KIA would need an angel to represent him.
Old 07-18-2016, 02:26 PM
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This guy is a Swiss citizen, Living in Hong Kong. What chance do U think he could have been deported to the USA by a communist government. Especially for a trivial so called crime that caused NO danger or damage what so ever. It's all about the FAA and it's Ego & belief that it is the all powerful (OZ). Remember the Old Guy behind the curtain?
Remember what caused this hullabaloo in the first place. It all started when the AMA went to congress and add Amendment #336 and how the FAA said they Interpreted that Amendment. It's still my contention that except for congress trying to tell the FAA what and what they could not do, The FAA would have gone after only the people that were operating, the only thing that was considered a DRONE (Quad)' Where they became a precived menace to maned aviation. PERIOD.

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Originally Posted by HoundDog View Post
This guy is a Swiss citizen, Living in Hong Kong. What chance do U think he could have been deported to the USA by a communist government. Especially for a trivial so called crime that caused NO danger or damage what so ever. It's all about the FAA and it's Ego & belief that it is the all powerful (OZ). Remember the Old Guy behind the curtain?
Remember what caused this hullabaloo in the first place. It all started when the AMA went to congress and add Amendment #336 and how the FAA said they Interpreted that Amendment. It's still my contention that except for congress trying to tell the FAA what and what they could not do, The FAA would have gone after only the people that were operating, the only thing that was considered a DRONE (Quad)' Where they became a precived menace to maned aviation. PERIOD.

Period as in no other points of view? No, Hong Kong wasn't going to deport him, but he also lived elsewhere, and spent a lot of time in the US. His continued issues with the FAA as well as the potential adverse ruling might have put a significant crimp in his ability travel to and from the US with ease. I don't think any federal agency has an ego, they are made up of many many people. As for what caused the hullabaloo...not sure where you get the AMA in that picture. It started and stopped with Pirker. And yes, his flights over people, buildings, moving cars and "occupied" streets or not was dangerous, and reckless too...but no injury or harm were noted. That's good. His flights in NYC were equally as stupid. He got the attention he so richly desired, much like a not so well mentally balanced kid in CT who strapped guns and flamethrowers to his quads. Among numerous charges, this most recent one is a doozy...kiddy porn and attempted sex assault on girls as young as 11. Fantastic, ugh.

http://wtnh.com/2016/07/14/clinton-d...avit-released/
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Here's a new one, at least for me. Tethered?

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Old 07-19-2016, 11:15 AM
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All Drones aren't BAD.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mILc...eid=e2f517e044
Old 07-19-2016, 05:06 PM
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Originally Posted by HoundDog View Post
Kinda like dogs no bad dogs just bad owners.

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