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11-29-2015, 07:07 AM
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Umm let's see now..
ALWAYS critical of EVERY move...[teenagers commonly blame their parents of this]. The commentary here from a select few is proof of what I say, you can't dispute that. You are part of the select few based on your own comments.
Always critical AFTER the fact......[pretty hard to be critical BEFORE the fact]. But what was being done before the fact, were those people involved at all? Nope.
but don't know how to be heard....[this is beneath comment]. It's hard to face reality isn't it. Proof of this has been laid out by non other than Franklin....see below
Unable to follow simple instructions....[more hyperbolic dysentery]. Nope, just cold hard facts. The guy who flew multi million dollar aircraft and wanted to "help" the AMA and notes how many thousands of dollars he charges for his consultant work absolutely unconditionally failed to follow a simple process of filling out a form. One form. He couldn't do it. Didn't know how to, or I suspect didn't want to because he could get more mileage complaining about it. In either case, a failure of epic proportions, only insofar as how much he complains about the AMA. Cold hard facts my friend, no dysentery at all.
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ALWAYS critical of EVERY move...[teenagers commonly blame their parents of this]. The commentary here from a select few is proof of what I say, you can't dispute that. You are part of the select few based on your own comments.
Always critical AFTER the fact......[pretty hard to be critical BEFORE the fact]. But what was being done before the fact, were those people involved at all? Nope.
but don't know how to be heard....[this is beneath comment]. It's hard to face reality isn't it. Proof of this has been laid out by non other than Franklin....see below
Unable to follow simple instructions....[more hyperbolic dysentery]. Nope, just cold hard facts. The guy who flew multi million dollar aircraft and wanted to "help" the AMA and notes how many thousands of dollars he charges for his consultant work absolutely unconditionally failed to follow a simple process of filling out a form. One form. He couldn't do it. Didn't know how to, or I suspect didn't want to because he could get more mileage complaining about it. In either case, a failure of epic proportions, only insofar as how much he complains about the AMA. Cold hard facts my friend, no dysentery at all.
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11-29-2015, 07:30 AM
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I didn't single you out specifically, but I have yet to see anything even remotely positive that you have written about the AMA, or anything they have done. Franklin has stepped up his nonstop barrage of criticisms, again after the fact, as well. No objectivity whatsoever, his commentary made all the more bizarre (and telling), when he admitted he failed to follow proper protocol in asking the AMA for help. The guy that goes on nonstop about his military career, and how many thousands of dollars a day he charges to help companies, all the rules and regs and protocols he works with, and it turns out he couldn't fill a simple form out. Absolutely amazing. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying they need to be, or should be glorified for everything they do, there isn't one person here who has done that.
But again, I notice you didn't answer the question. Since the name callers here made a funny, and you got a great laugh out of it, what would be the equivalent to label those folks who do nothing but criticize and second guess the AMA, never have a single positive thing to say about them, and also are not involved with them in any meaningful way. Gloom Club? Doom and Gloomers? Debbie Downers? Do as I say not as I doers?
Not so easy to have some self awareness and attach a label to oneself is it?
But again, I notice you didn't answer the question. Since the name callers here made a funny, and you got a great laugh out of it, what would be the equivalent to label those folks who do nothing but criticize and second guess the AMA, never have a single positive thing to say about them, and also are not involved with them in any meaningful way. Gloom Club? Doom and Gloomers? Debbie Downers? Do as I say not as I doers?
Not so easy to have some self awareness and attach a label to oneself is it?
I'm not going to answer a ridiculous question like that. Why would "non-fans" of AMA policies form a Glee Club? Since you were the one that the "name callers" made "the funny" about why don't you name the club?
Now as far as my take on the overall operation of the AMA goes. I'd give them a A- grade for "pre-drone" day to day Post "drone" a F.
As far as Franklin's take on this whole thing I think he's on target with his assessment of the situation and his argument has been pretty much straight forward along with being a accurate assessment of what has transpired. They guy has "real world" experience that relates to the whole situation. IMO.
You don't agree with either one of us anyway so what's the point?
Mike
11-29-2015, 08:06 AM
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I ( among others) have really only one issue with the AMA. It all started when they got in bed with the "droners" and decided to go all in with them.
What's your definition of a droner?
Since then I've seen no reason to be happy with that move and it's been one thing after another during this mess. So I don't thing it's fair to say we criticize there "every move".
Mike
What's your definition of a droner?
Since then I've seen no reason to be happy with that move and it's been one thing after another during this mess. So I don't thing it's fair to say we criticize there "every move".
Mike
11-29-2015, 08:11 AM
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No one will argue against this , cause all RC aircraft should be treated the same regardless of the physical configuration of the machine . 
BUT !!!!!
Once flown beyond line of sight , it is NO LONGER AN RC AIRCRAFT AS DEFINED IN AMA DOC #550 AND IS NOW WHAT THE REST OF THE WORLD CALLS , you guessed it ! A DRONE !!!!! And YES SIR , beyond line of sight aircraft , RC or not , MOST CERTAINLY SHOULD be subject to different regulation than the "traditionally flown" LOS model aircraft . Any of you beyond LOS flyers that don't understand the above are in one Hell of a state of denial .........
11-29-2015, 08:16 AM
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11-29-2015, 08:22 AM
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11-29-2015, 08:27 AM
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11-29-2015, 08:27 AM
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No one will argue against this , cause all RC aircraft should be treated the same regardless of the physical configuration of the machine . BUT !!!!! Once flown beyond line of sight , it is NO LONGER AN RC AIRCRAFT AS DEFINED IN AMA DOC #550 AND IS NOW WHAT THE REST OF THE WORLD CALLS , you guessed it ! A DRONE !!!!! And YES SIR , beyond line of sight aircraft , RC or not , MOST CERTAINLY SHOULD be subject to different regulation than the "traditionally flown" LOS model aircraft . Any of you beyond LOS flyers that don't understand the above are in one Hell of a state of denial .........https://www.faa.gov/regulations_poli...mentID/1028086
11-29-2015, 08:28 AM
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11-29-2015, 08:46 AM
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11-29-2015, 08:49 AM
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That AMA doesn't define nor do they regulate model aircraft operations, the FAA does:
https://www.faa.gov/regulations_poli...mentID/1028086
https://www.faa.gov/regulations_poli...mentID/1028086
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11-29-2015, 08:50 AM
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That AMA doesn't define nor do they regulate model aircraft operations, the FAA does:
https://www.faa.gov/regulations_poli...mentID/1028086
https://www.faa.gov/regulations_poli...mentID/1028086
Hey , Rocket scientist , the AMA most certainly DOES define what a model aircraft is , TO THE USERS OF THIS , THE AMA FORUM !!!!! This is NOT , in case you haven't noticed , the FAA forum , it's the AMA forum , and in their safety code , what constitutes a model aircraft of each class is VERY WELL IDENTIFIED .....
Or are you , for the sake of the nit picking (droning) that you do so well , going to tell me that the AMA has no definition between what's a park flyer , a turbine engine powered , or giant scale over 55 # model aircraft ?
Knock off the recreational argueing and get to any REAL point you may want to present , cause the continual snippy comments are really making you look foolish here ......
11-29-2015, 09:02 AM
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It must be difficult to look at comments like that and realize you have no legitimate response to them, other than to deflect. But I do sincerely mean it, I'm happy to help you in any way I can. Sometimes a different set of eyes, and a different viewpoint can really make you think of things in a broader perspective. My first suggestion is to get back out to the field and do some flying. Reconnect with the hobby, maybe visit another club close by and talk with those folks, etc etc. You never know what you will hear.
Better yet, do a scratch build thread of a totally original design that you plan on entering into an AMA competition.
Submit video and telemetry as well for how well it performed...?
Show me what a Gung Ho, Rootin' Tootin' Hobbyist you are...!
If you truly support the AMA and it's stated purpose, this stuff is fundamental to that..but of course you already know this, right...?
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11-29-2015, 09:10 AM
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Hey , Rocket scientist , the AMA most certainly DOES define what a model aircraft is , TO THE USERS OF THIS , THE AMA FORUM !!!!! This is NOT , in case you haven't noticed , the FAA forum , it's the AMA forum , and in their safety code , what constitutes a model aircraft of each class is VERY WELL IDENTIFIED .....
Or are you , for the sake of the nit picking (droning) that you do so well , going to tell me that the AMA has no definition between what's a park flyer , a turbine engine powered , or giant scale over 55 # model aircraft ?
Knock off the recreational argueing and get to any REAL point you may want to present , cause the continual snippy comments are really making you look foolish here ......
https://www.faa.gov/regulations_poli...mentID/1028086
11-29-2015, 09:15 AM
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I ( among others) have really only one issue with the AMA. It all started when they got in bed with the "droners" and decided to go all in with them. Since then I've seen no reason to be happy with that move and it's been one thing after another during this mess. So I don't thing it's fair to say we criticize there "every move".
Mike
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11-29-2015, 09:37 AM
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Wow , really ? What don't you understand about this being the AMA forum , and not the FAA forum ? You can post all the FAA links you want , but the fact remains that for AMA purposes , the AMA does indeed define what constitutes a model aircraft , despite your WRONG assertion that the AMA does not .
Now , do you have some relevant point your trying to get to , or are you planning to spend the afternoon posting FAA links ?
Hey , try this , go fly a .40 sized glow engine plane at a PPP only field , have an accident requiring AMA insurance coverage , and then see just how quick the AMA will show you the definition of park flyer VS open class RC model aircraft
I will not again respond to your posts regarding your wrong assertion that the AMA does not define what TO THEM is a model aircraft . If you have any OTHER , not incorrect , point you'd like to discuss I'm all ears .....
11-29-2015, 09:40 AM
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11-29-2015, 09:44 AM
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"It all started when they got in bed with the "droners" and decided to go all in with them." .
I explained what they were here.
" there the things you and porcia83 just knew that were the only things that would need to be registered when the task force "recommendations" were released. "
I'm sorry your having such a tough time with this but maybe it's for the better in the long run.
No one else here seems to have a problem with figuring it out. Must be hard to be that "one" that just can't grasp it.
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11-29-2015, 12:34 PM
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Do you see any AMA thread where anything of substance is accomplished? If so, point them out, I'd love to read them. People who come to these threads to vilify an organization they do almost nothing to promote, and incessantly complain about, are not trying to accomplish anything. They are just here to whine. Which by the way, is perfectly fine, but let's call it what it is. Everyone needs an outlet to vent and rant, but keep in mind they are the first ones to grab a torch and pitchfork and go after anyone who doesn't join them in the bashing. Almost to a person, when asked what they are doing to change things or better the organization, every single one of them has had an excuse as to why they can't or won't. Got plenty of time to monday morning quarterback, but nothing else. And that is really sad.
Mike
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11-29-2015, 02:22 PM
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I LIVE at a flying field and have up loaded a few videos featuring flights from my backyard..
I also visit the field that I secured permission to use from the local airport often. It has become "home" to fellow control line flyers from all over the Puget Sound region.
On any nice day, 1000's of motorists on their way to work, on their way to lunch or on their way home stand a very good chance of seeing World Class pilots practicing their routines in the vicinity of 172nd St N.E. & 51st ave. N.E.
Anyone could have done this, it took no special talent but I was in the right place at the right time to make it happen.