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Old 11-30-2015, 07:22 AM
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Porcia and Crispy hanging out at the field together............



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Old 11-30-2015, 07:27 AM
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Originally Posted by porcia83 View Post
Better watch yourself, keep posting like this and your moral character will be called into question and someone will NOT want to fly with you.

Old 11-30-2015, 08:48 AM
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Originally Posted by astrohog View Post
Porcia and Crispy hanging out at the field together............



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No doubt we would be having a blast, enjoying the weather and doing some flying. I've extended an invite to him if he ever gets to the great Northeast....you're still on the guest list Astro! Got 3 days in this past long weekend, very few great weather days left. Time to go indoors.
Old 11-30-2015, 10:36 AM
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Originally Posted by combatpigg View Post
Some fields just don't accommodate choppers of any kind and that is their call.

Your "Drone" ceases to be a drone once you ditch the camera and other non-essential gear so that you can enjoy flying it manually as a quadcopter [or whatever it is].
My local field has a airstrip for planes and a section for helis, but they don't allow "drones". You say it ceases to be a drone if I remove the camera and other gear? One of my helis has a NAZA-H (DJI) controller with GPS, when I put a camera on it, it's a drone. But because it has 2 rotors and not 4 or more it deemed acceptable. Why is that?

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Old 11-30-2015, 10:41 AM
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How do we know why or what is acceptable at different clubs? IMO I see no reason to bar MR models. only the autonomous models should be banned, unless operated with the required commercial license. But then any club can allow or ban anything they want as it is a private club and free to associate with whomever or allow whatever they want. In that light they could ban anybody wearing clothes.

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Old 11-30-2015, 11:19 AM
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Originally Posted by jatoRC View Post
My local field has a airstrip for planes and a section for helis, but they don't allow "drones". You say it ceases to be a drone if I remove the camera and other gear? One of my helis has a NAZA-H (DJI) controller with GPS, when I put a camera on it, it's a drone. But because it has 2 rotors and not 4 or more it deemed acceptable. Why is that?
If I showed up at your field with a quad rigged to be flown just like any old fashion RC copter, I would either convince them they should allow it or they would have to explain why it can't be flown there.
There might be a rule in place that bans ALL quads regardless of how it is equipped. This sort of "kill them all" type ban makes it easy for them to enforce with no need to discriminate between how the quads are equipped to be flown. Just Say No........
I quit one club years ago over a matter like this and never looked back.
Old 11-30-2015, 01:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Sport_Pilot View Post
How do we know why or what is acceptable at different clubs? IMO I see no reason to bar MR models. only the autonomous models should be banned, unless operated with the required commercial license. But then any club can allow or ban anything they want as it is a private club and free to associate with whomever or allow whatever they want. In that light they could ban anybody wearing clothes.
Just curious why should the autonomous models be banned (ones with GPS, self leveling, etc). Why can't they fly there? If they aren't allow to fly at local fields then people have no right complaining when they are flown elsewhere.
Old 11-30-2015, 01:49 PM
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Originally Posted by jatoRC View Post
Just curious why should the autonomous models be banned (ones with GPS, self leveling, etc). Why can't they fly there? If they aren't allow to fly at local fields then people have no right complaining when they are flown elsewhere.
Not banned by AMA or FAA, not an AMA or FAA issue. Some clubs allow models such as your DJI Phantom to fly at a club site and some don't. Your Q should be addressed to the rule makers at your club; no one here can read their minds and give you an answer that is more than a WAG. Nobody outside of your club (and local external forces like conditions made by the landlord and local ordinances) have any say in what can be flown there, so only you have anything to complain about.
Old 11-30-2015, 01:57 PM
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Originally Posted by jatoRC View Post
If they aren't allow to fly at local fields then people have no right complaining when they are flown elsewhere.
Good point.
Old 11-30-2015, 01:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Chris P. Bacon View Post
Is your name on the list?
I'd have been more than happy to add mine.

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Old 11-30-2015, 02:11 PM
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Originally Posted by rcmiket View Post
I'd have been more than happy to add mine.

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Old 11-30-2015, 02:43 PM
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Originally Posted by rcmiket View Post
I'd have been more than happy to add mine.

Mike
I'm surprised more forum members weren't asked to participate, seems strange. I wonder if the AMA has responded. I know they've been pretty busy bringing on the new MultiGP SIG.

http://amablog.modelaircraft.org/med...nterest-group/
Old 11-30-2015, 03:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Chris P. Bacon View Post
I'm surprised more forum members weren't asked to participate, seems strange. I wonder if the AMA has responded. I know they've been pretty busy bringing on the new MultiGP SIG.

http://amablog.modelaircraft.org/med...nterest-group/
Yup, the letter begs more questions every time I read it. At this point I wonder if the AMA even has it. No info on if and when it was sent, or how it was sent. The group doesn't seem to have a spokesperson, and didn't really ask for nor indicate a desire for dialog, they just released a statement of opinion. Wouldn't it have been a better idea to designate a spokesperson or at least a contact person for further discussion. Maybe take some time to get more than 14 signatures too. Some of them have spoken here about all of the people they have been in touch with through their business contacts, why not enlist them. How about starting a thread here or at RCG and asking for support. Better yet, are they not familiar with Change.org. Then again, maybe that was to much work, or perhaps they might have thought it wouldn't get the traction they hoped for. Who knows, it would be nice to have someone on that list here to explain those things. Maybe it was just easier to have someone who was "in" on the letter, and signed it..leak it here (in multiple threads). Some of these things are just basic grassroots organization issues 101.

Good news on the new SIG though....I recall forecasting that coming around a while back. Currently at 4,000 members...potential members for the AMA.
Old 11-30-2015, 04:12 PM
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Forgive me if this was answered in the previous 80 pages, but how are these regulations even going to be enforced? Are we going to start having FAA examiners from the local FSDO sitting around the flying field on Saturday making sure everybody is registered? Are we going to start getting ramp checked by the FAA with our model airplanes just like full scale? I am afraid this simple registration is only the beginning.
Old 11-30-2015, 04:32 PM
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Multi-Rotors shouldn't be banned. Being accepting of them at the local field is the right thing to do. If they don't fly at an AMA field, they will be flying in your neighborhood looking through your windows, being shot at from the uneducated, getting people into needless problems.

Remember, the issue is the Multi-Rotor crowd that decides that flying anywhere they choose are the people who are causing us the problem.

If you want to ban their use, then prohibit them from flying outside of an AMA field. No AMA field, no Section 333 equals to you being prohibited to fly......................LOL.... opcorn:
Old 11-30-2015, 04:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Muff3n View Post
Forgive me if this was answered in the previous 80 pages, but how are these regulations even going to be enforced? Are we going to start having FAA examiners from the local FSDO sitting around the flying field on Saturday making sure everybody is registered? Are we going to start getting ramp checked by the FAA with our model airplanes just like full scale? I am afraid this simple registration is only the beginning.
Enforcement will be like a drivers license......Sure one can technically drive without one. But if you do something stupid, someone will be all over you. When this happens, you damn well better have your paperwork in line. If not, then you are screwed financially.
Old 11-30-2015, 05:47 PM
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Originally Posted by porcia83 View Post
Yup, the letter begs more questions every time I read it. At this point I wonder if the AMA even has it. No info on if and when it was sent, or how it was sent. The group doesn't seem to have a spokesperson, and didn't really ask for nor indicate a desire for dialog, they just released a statement of opinion. Wouldn't it have been a better idea to designate a spokesperson or at least a contact person for further discussion. Maybe take some time to get more than 14 signatures too. Some of them have spoken here about all of the people they have been in touch with through their business contacts, why not enlist them. How about starting a thread here or at RCG and asking for support. Better yet, are they not familiar with Change.org. Then again, maybe that was to much work, or perhaps they might have thought it wouldn't get the traction they hoped for. Who knows, it would be nice to have someone on that list here to explain those things. Maybe it was just easier to have someone who was "in" on the letter, and signed it..leak it here (in multiple threads). Some of these things are just basic grassroots organization issues 101.

Good news on the new SIG though....I recall forecasting that coming around a while back. Currently at 4,000 members...potential members for the AMA.
I'm surprised the new incoming district VIII VP, Lawrence Harville, wasn't included in the distribution as the election results were published prior to the date on the letter. He seems like he would champion their efforts.

Also, looking at a few (admittedly, I did not check all) of the corporate websites for those who signed the letter I did not see any reference to their efforts on their websites. I don't know if it's intentional realizing these views can be bad for business or just something they haven't gotten around to doing yet, although due to the importance of this time sensitive information I find that hard to believe. Seems like if support is what they're after, and we know there's strength in numbers, their corporate websites may be their best starting point to get the word out.

Lastly, considering none of the folks here were invited to sign the letter and none of the AMA SIGs signed the letter I can't help but notice some fixed-wing elitist overtones resonating from the letter.
Old 11-30-2015, 06:12 PM
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Originally Posted by porcia83 View Post
Yup, the letter begs more questions every time I read it. At this point I wonder if the AMA even has it. No info on if and when it was sent, or how it was sent. The group doesn't seem to have a spokesperson, and didn't really ask for nor indicate a desire for dialog, they just released a statement of opinion. Wouldn't it have been a better idea to designate a spokesperson or at least a contact person for further discussion. Maybe take some time to get more than 14 signatures too. Some of them have spoken here about all of the people they have been in touch with through their business contacts, why not enlist them. How about starting a thread here or at RCG and asking for support. Better yet, are they not familiar with Change.org. Then again, maybe that was to much work, or perhaps they might have thought it wouldn't get the traction they hoped for. Who knows, it would be nice to have someone on that list here to explain those things. Maybe it was just easier to have someone who was "in" on the letter, and signed it..leak it here (in multiple threads). Some of these things are just basic grassroots organization issues 101.

Good news on the new SIG though....I recall forecasting that coming around a while back. Currently at 4,000 members...potential members for the AMA.
Originally Posted by Chris P. Bacon View Post
I'm surprised the new incoming district VIII VP, Lawrence Harville, wasn't included in the distribution as the election results were published prior to the date on the letter. He seems like he would champion their efforts.

Also, looking at a few (admittedly, I did not check all) of the corporate websites for those who signed the letter I did not see any reference to their efforts on their websites. I don't know if it's intentional realizing these views can be bad for business or just something they haven't gotten around to doing yet, although due to the importance of this time sensitive information I find that hard to believe. Seems like if support is what they're after, and we know there's strength in numbers, their corporate websites may be their best starting point to get the word out.

Lastly, considering none of the folks here were invited to sign the letter and none of the AMA SIGs signed the letter I can't help but notice some fixed-wing elitist overtones resonating from the letter.
Do your arms hurt from constantly patting one another on the back?

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Old 11-30-2015, 07:56 PM
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Originally Posted by rcmiket View Post
Do your arms hurt from constantly patting one another on the back?

Mike
This letter really has them all worked into a lather...!
It's like that scene in 2001 Space Odyssey when the Black Monolith first appeared...!

Ooook...ooook..oooook...eeeek...eeeeek..eeeeek....
SCREEEEEEECH...!!!

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Old 11-30-2015, 09:26 PM
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Enforcement will be like a drivers license......Sure one can technically drive without one. But if you do something stupid, someone will be all over you. When this happens, you damn well better have your paperwork in line. If not, then you are screwed financially.
Yes but with a car the driver is in the CAR! Not so with a drone! So they will confiscate the drone but will have no idea who flew it.

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Old 12-01-2015, 04:31 AM
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Just got my new issue of Model Drone Aviation.

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He has been attending most all of the quad racing events this year and wants to advance that part of the hobby.
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Originally Posted by flyinwalenda View Post
He has been attending most all of the quad racing events this year and wants to advance that part of the hobby.
Aren't the "quad racing" guys already AMA members? Thought we were after those who were not?

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Most of the ones I know are . The racing quads should not be included in this debate...in my opinion.
Old 12-01-2015, 05:22 AM
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He has been attending most all of the quad racing events this year and wants to advance that part of the hobby.
Originally Posted by flyinwalenda View Post
Most of the ones I know are . The racing quads should not be included in this debate...in my opinion.
You brought up the fact that Brown has been attending most all the event's. I just mentioned that those at those events are already AMA members. Now you post racing quads should not be included in this debate. I'm confused.

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