Club asking for it's members FAA registration number
12-29-2015, 08:04 AM
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The club needs to vote on any changes to the bylaws. There is absolutely no reason for the club to require this to be a member. Just one more step toward a totalitarian regime. Each time we give up a right it becomes easier, and easier for the government to take over our lives. If I chose not to register as a protest against this invasion then it's none of the club's business if I do or don't. Until the AMA and FAA make it mandatory for the clubs to maintain this information, tell them to BUZZ OFF! My rod and gun club does not make me prove I have a permit for my guns to belong, so why should my flying club be asking for my FAA #?
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12-29-2015, 09:25 AM
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The FAA database will be searchable by the assigned number. So anyone with that number in hand will be able to determine if it is real and who it is assigned to.
12-29-2015, 10:17 AM
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For the few clubs that own the land they fly on I agree that it should not be necessary for the club to enforce an FAA requirement. For most of the other clubs who lease the land or it is provided by the city or county there will frequently be a clause in the terms of use or lease which prohibits illegal activity, ie. flying unregistered aircraft. I for one would hate to loose the flying site we have so much invested in because a few refuse to comply with the registration requirement. While I disagree with the idea of registering model aircraft, I believe in the case of our club we should comply and require compliance until the issue is resolved.
12-29-2015, 11:20 AM
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Interesting. As I recall when taking flying lessons at the Langley Air Force Base Aero Club, I clearly did not have a license (or registration) but was a dues paying member of the club. The club owned the aircraft (Cessna 150's in those days). I was required to get a ticket from the FCC to use the airplanes radios. Not a big deal, just wrote in and got a radio operations license for aircraft use. But I was not registered by the FAA, I had yet to reach to the point to qualify for a license. The club did require I take the written portion of the licensing process, how to use an EA-6B and various rules and processes. Yet after some lessons, maybe 20 to 30 hours, I soloed and was allowed to take an airplane out in the local area and fly without an instructor. That was not a model airplane, it was a real airplane.
So getting registered seems to be a silly requirement and serves no reasonable need unless it is to be used to prosecute your for some reason as yet not well understood reason. Does the FAA reasonably think they are going to get backyard Drone flyers to register? There are so many gray areas it is unbelievable how stupid the FAA and the DOT are thinking and operating. They seem to be in the "political correctness" mode and have really give little true thought to it. They are just in the "I am the government" and you are not, do as I say do mode.
Clubs should not get in the proactive mode yet. Things are not finalized yet. Just some trigger action by the DOT. Let us not be helpful in doing unreasonable and some what stupid things.
So getting registered seems to be a silly requirement and serves no reasonable need unless it is to be used to prosecute your for some reason as yet not well understood reason. Does the FAA reasonably think they are going to get backyard Drone flyers to register? There are so many gray areas it is unbelievable how stupid the FAA and the DOT are thinking and operating. They seem to be in the "political correctness" mode and have really give little true thought to it. They are just in the "I am the government" and you are not, do as I say do mode.
Clubs should not get in the proactive mode yet. Things are not finalized yet. Just some trigger action by the DOT. Let us not be helpful in doing unreasonable and some what stupid things.
12-29-2015, 05:00 PM
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you have a 10 digit 7 letters and 3 numbers on mine the card you carry has your name certificate number and the date , your club runs that number thru the data base just like we verify ama members with the ama data base, and you are required to have your card on you
12-29-2015, 05:07 PM
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12-29-2015, 05:08 PM
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One more thing a club secretary will have to deal with, in addition to the chasing the AMA membership information of members too. Hard enough to get people to stand up and take leadership positions. Hope clubs don't jump the gun and make more work for themselves than they need to.
12-29-2015, 07:23 PM
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I received a email today from one of my clubs and they want all members to send them their FAA registration numbers for the clubs records, No other details other than to say that if the FAA backs down they
will delete the numbers. It sounds like the club may have intentions of making FAA registration mandatory when I find out more I will post it.
will delete the numbers. It sounds like the club may have intentions of making FAA registration mandatory when I find out more I will post it.
12-29-2015, 07:25 PM
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The club really shouldn't be doing this. AT ALL. It is not required by the AMA or the land lease for the club.
Not sure why what makes you think that. I suspect if the AMA does not win in court on the FAA registration it becomes a requirement specified in the AMA Safety Code.
As it currently sits with the AMA, I've been told the AMA will not be enforcing registration.
I would believe everything you read on a public Internet forum.
Not sure why what makes you think that. I suspect if the AMA does not win in court on the FAA registration it becomes a requirement specified in the AMA Safety Code.
As it currently sits with the AMA, I've been told the AMA will not be enforcing registration.
I would believe everything you read on a public Internet forum.
12-29-2015, 07:30 PM
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Yup, absolutely correct. I'd push that clubs board to explain under what authority they seem to think they can ask for that information under. I doubt the bylaws address that issue. Ironically they might be doing the same thing they feel the FAA is doing, over reaching.
12-29-2015, 07:33 PM
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The club needs to vote on any changes to the bylaws. There is absolutely no reason for the club to require this to be a member. Just one more step toward a totalitarian regime. Each time we give up a right it becomes easier, and easier for the government to take over our lives. If I chose not to register as a protest against this invasion then it's none of the club's business if I do or don't. Until the AMA and FAA make it mandatory for the clubs to maintain this information, tell them to BUZZ OFF! My rod and gun club does not make me prove I have a permit for my guns to belong, so why should my flying club be asking for my FAA #?
12-29-2015, 07:36 PM
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I'm not sure clubs can legally vote to not follow the law. Do clubs really need rules that say to follow the laws?
12-29-2015, 08:27 PM
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No we did not, However I suspect our next meeting will be a interesting one.
12-29-2015, 08:32 PM
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If it turns out that after FEB 19th we still have to register and I think we will I think the club should issue a statement encouraging members to register and leave it at that unless the AMA requires them to do otherwise.
12-29-2015, 08:58 PM
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I think my club will make it mandatory for members to provide that information. I'm quite confident the AMA will require it in the near future as well. Why would the AMA's insurance carrier want to pay any claim on behalf of someone operating illegally?
12-30-2015, 05:20 AM
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Each charter club will be issued 1 paid FAA paper pusher to check papers at every possible flying site ,park.school yard and vacant lot in the continental U.S. Of course it will be the clubs responsibility to pick up the tab.
Of course if your not in compliance "i didn't know" will be a acceptable excuse.
Mike
Of course if your not in compliance "i didn't know" will be a acceptable excuse.
Mike
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12-30-2015, 05:55 AM
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Each charter club will be issued 1 paid FAA paper pusher to check papers at every possible flying site ,park.school yard and vacant lot in the continental U.S. Of course it will be the clubs responsibility to pick up the tab.
Of course if your not in compliance "i didn't know" will be a acceptable excuse.
Mike
Of course if your not in compliance "i didn't know" will be a acceptable excuse.
Mike
12-30-2015, 05:57 AM
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