Four Hundred Feet?
01-10-2016, 06:13 PM
#376
Is crop dusting is a year round operation at that location?
01-10-2016, 06:38 PM
#377
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That is a shame but when your fuel burn calculates into dollars per minute, how much of your profit margin would you be willing to donate to support someone else's hobby? A lot of applications are very time sensitive and minutes can make the difference between being able to get a job done or losing it.
01-10-2016, 07:47 PM
#378
That's great if your field has a limited access point(s), but when flying in a more open area there's always going to be the area behind you that you cannot see.
01-10-2016, 08:09 PM
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01-11-2016, 04:27 AM
#380
That is a shame but when your fuel burn calculates into dollars per minute, how much of your profit margin would you be willing to donate to support someone else's hobby? A lot of applications are very time sensitive and minutes can make the difference between being able to get a job done or losing it.
01-11-2016, 05:12 AM
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01-11-2016, 05:14 AM
#382
It's not difficult to look behind you from time to time either. But there are also other senses like hearing.
01-11-2016, 05:18 AM
#383
Apparently the AMA members didn't care enough to fight for their field.
0WI8 a private restricted airport that has been in existence for for over 85 years has it's days numbered. Thought it was gone 10 years ago when the Owner was selling off the family farm 5/8 of a mile south of our airport and started selling quarter acre lots for $78K to $110K then the housing crisis hit and we got a reprieve. Well 2 years ago a housing area was started 2200 feet to the SSE from where stand to fly and worse yet we fly toward them. We Might be able to keep our R/C field by going all electric. Who Knows.
0WI8 a private restricted airport that has been in existence for for over 85 years has it's days numbered. Thought it was gone 10 years ago when the Owner was selling off the family farm 5/8 of a mile south of our airport and started selling quarter acre lots for $78K to $110K then the housing crisis hit and we got a reprieve. Well 2 years ago a housing area was started 2200 feet to the SSE from where stand to fly and worse yet we fly toward them. We Might be able to keep our R/C field by going all electric. Who Knows.
However, if you lose your field for the reasons above, is it fair to say that you lost it because "members didn't care enough to fight for their field?"
01-11-2016, 05:30 AM
#384
So your entire justification for "you" to fly at a public school without need for AMA is based solely on your training and flying style? Are you implying no one else should be allowed to fly there due to their lack or training of the fact that they may fly a more demanding flight routine that may affect their situational awareness?
How do you pre-flight for a potential catastrophic servo failure? How about an internal short in a battery? What redundancies have you implemented on your aircraft?
Sounds impressive, but as you're well aware, there's only so much you can do. Additionally, how would you know the limits of you equipment unless you've tested it to the point of failure?
How do you pre-flight for a potential catastrophic servo failure? How about an internal short in a battery? What redundancies have you implemented on your aircraft?
Sounds impressive, but as you're well aware, there's only so much you can do. Additionally, how would you know the limits of you equipment unless you've tested it to the point of failure?
If one's flying style does not allow them to maintain situational awareness of people walking onto the field, how are they to have situational awareness of a full scale plane approaching from their 7 O'Clock? If the flight routine is so demanding that it consumes one's entire cognitive capacity, then they need to have additional mitigations in place to maintain a margin of safety. That could mean larger areas, prohibited airspace where full scale cannot enter, or observer(s).
Aviation safety teaches safety comes from reducing the likelihood of an event, the severity of it if it does happen, or both. You can use mechanical measures or operational measures to mitigate risk. The way I fly, where I fly, and the size of what I fly are all operational mitigations that even if I have a servo failure (which I've had one in ten years), it results in only loss of the aircraft (which is exactly what happened). If you use top of the line equipment and understand the limits, check for flutter, pay attention to reducing vibration, do a thorough preflight every time, and then live by operational limitations - servo failure is not only unlikely, but if it happens you don't hurt anyone.
"Only so much you can do?" Sorry, I don't subscribe to that way of thinking. In my way of training and in 20 years of experience being accountable for the safety performance of my squadron or air station, every accident is preventable.
01-11-2016, 06:14 AM
#385
Hearing works great when you're the only one at the field flying a quite electric model with no background noise, however, I doubt that's the case for most of us.
01-11-2016, 06:26 AM
#386
Full video of FAA's Marke Gibson at AMA Expo is here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fOeoHJZdwuw
What he says with respect to question about 400' (approx 25 min point) is that "It's in review and discussion" and that "I can't say there's going to be any significant change [emphasis added], but it's being discussed right now."
What he says with respect to question about 400' (approx 25 min point) is that "It's in review and discussion" and that "I can't say there's going to be any significant change [emphasis added], but it's being discussed right now."
01-11-2016, 06:28 AM
#387
Disagree. Again, if it's too loud to know what's happening around you, then how could you hear an airplane approach from behind you?
01-11-2016, 06:31 AM
#388
If the flight routine is so demanding that it consumes one's entire cognitive capacity, then they need to have additional mitigations in place to maintain a margin of safety. That could mean larger areas, prohibited airspace where full scale cannot enter, or observer(s).
Aviation safety teaches safety comes from reducing the likelihood of an event, the severity of it if it does happen, or both. You can use mechanical measures or operational measures to mitigate risk. The way I fly, where I fly, and the size of what I fly are all operational mitigations that even if I have a servo failure (which I've had one in ten years), it results in only loss of the aircraft (which is exactly what happened). If you use top of the line equipment and understand the limits, check for flutter, pay attention to reducing vibration, do a thorough preflight every time, and then live by operational limitations - servo failure is not only unlikely, but if it happens you don't hurt anyone.
If you're using top of the line equipment then the cost of a AMA membership is trivial in comparison and it's certainly not the severe financial hardship you imply. Well, maybe if you consider HK top of the line equipment.
"Only so much you can do?" Sorry, I don't subscribe to that way of thinking. In my way of training and in 20 years of experience being accountable for the safety performance of my squadron or air station, every accident is preventable.
Aviation safety teaches safety comes from reducing the likelihood of an event, the severity of it if it does happen, or both. You can use mechanical measures or operational measures to mitigate risk. The way I fly, where I fly, and the size of what I fly are all operational mitigations that even if I have a servo failure (which I've had one in ten years), it results in only loss of the aircraft (which is exactly what happened). If you use top of the line equipment and understand the limits, check for flutter, pay attention to reducing vibration, do a thorough preflight every time, and then live by operational limitations - servo failure is not only unlikely, but if it happens you don't hurt anyone.
If you're using top of the line equipment then the cost of a AMA membership is trivial in comparison and it's certainly not the severe financial hardship you imply. Well, maybe if you consider HK top of the line equipment.
"Only so much you can do?" Sorry, I don't subscribe to that way of thinking. In my way of training and in 20 years of experience being accountable for the safety performance of my squadron or air station, every accident is preventable.
01-11-2016, 06:37 AM
#389
That's fine, we can agree to disagree agreeably. Unlike yourself, I have first hand experience at R/C fields where background noise has existed. Whether it be construction/farming, grass cutting, generator, noise, other R/C aircraft, full-scale noise, highway noise, etc.
01-11-2016, 06:42 AM
#390
You answered your own question in your earlier post.
I don't subscribe to your way of thinking. You're never going to be able to completely eliminate risk and you're never going to be able to accurately predict when a failure will occur. Seems all your failure scenarios occurs at the most opportune time and take to mitigate risk, yet the reality is a failure can occur at any time under any conditions.
I don't subscribe to your way of thinking. You're never going to be able to completely eliminate risk and you're never going to be able to accurately predict when a failure will occur. Seems all your failure scenarios occurs at the most opportune time and take to mitigate risk, yet the reality is a failure can occur at any time under any conditions.
As for the cost thing, you're making the "should" arguement. AMA is a private dues collecting organization and we have a choice to join or not. Just because I "can" afford lots of things, or memberships in lots of organizations, doesn't in any way compel me to spend that money.
As for HobbyKing...geeze. You're really grasping at straws now.
01-11-2016, 06:45 AM
#391
That's fine, we can agree to disagree agreeably. Unlike yourself, I have first hand experience at R/C fields where background noise has existed. Whether it be construction/farming, grass cutting, generator, noise, other R/C aircraft, full-scale noise, highway noise, etc.
As for all the noise you mentioned, then again if it's that loud, then by definition it prevents you from hearing the approach of a full scale aircraft - therefore you're unable to avoid it until it comes within your view, at which point it may be too late.
Sounds like you might need some additional support to maintain situational awareness. May I suggest dedicated lookouts - since it's apparently so noisy and distracting at your field.
01-11-2016, 07:05 AM
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Maybe... but the good news is we are a long way from drones hauling 500 gallon loads into tight areas so maybe I will be able to retire before I lose the job I love to them.
01-11-2016, 07:13 AM
#393
Situational awareness involves ALL senses.
I never said it shouldn't. I just pointed out there are naturally occurring factors that can impair those senses.
As for the cost thing, you're making the "should" arguement. AMA is a private dues collecting organization and we have a choice to join or not. Just because I "can" afford lots of things, or memberships in lots of organizations, doesn't in any way compel me to spend that money.
As for HobbyKing...geeze. You're really grasping at straws now.
I'm only following your lead.
I never said it shouldn't. I just pointed out there are naturally occurring factors that can impair those senses.
As for the cost thing, you're making the "should" arguement. AMA is a private dues collecting organization and we have a choice to join or not. Just because I "can" afford lots of things, or memberships in lots of organizations, doesn't in any way compel me to spend that money.
As for HobbyKing...geeze. You're really grasping at straws now.
I'm only following your lead.
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01-11-2016, 07:45 AM
#394
And if the pilot's senses are that easily compromised, then there's no way they can effectively make sure they give way to manned aircraft - given they don't know they're even in the area until they're already in the same airspace where the sUAS is flying (i.e. in front of the pilot).
01-11-2016, 08:06 AM
#395
And if the pilot's senses are that easily compromised, then there's no way they can effectively make sure they give way to manned aircraft - given they don't know they're even in the area until they're already in the same airspace where the sUAS is flying (i.e. in front of the pilot).
01-11-2016, 08:07 AM
#396
01-11-2016, 08:32 AM
#398
Seems to me the importance should be consistent with altitude the RC pilots is flying at. But it also seems you're implying anyone who's deaf or hearing impaired shouldn't be be allowed to fly. Is that correct? Why not just go all out and require full-scale medical exams for all RC pilots? Why not throw on a mandatory retirement age as well?
01-11-2016, 08:41 AM
#399
I think you've stumbled on an important point as well. If model aviation operations are restricted to 400ft AGL how important is it to maintain altitude awareness? I'm not saying it's not, I'm just wondering how important it is relative to all situational awareness.
01-11-2016, 08:45 AM
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