AMA EC April 2016 minutes
05-18-2016, 03:48 AM
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AMA EC April 2016 minutes
http://www.modelaircraft.org/aboutam...ecminutes.aspx
Here are the minutes from the April meeting. For anyone interested.
Mike
Here are the minutes from the April meeting. For anyone interested.
Mike
05-18-2016, 03:54 AM
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"Rich Hanson reported on his call with the FAA regarding FPV racing. The FAA is looking to the Academy to manage the activity; bringing the community together and standardizing the rules, specifically the safety aspect of the rules. The FAA indicated if this turns into an actual professional sport, they wanted the Academy to be the sanctioning body. If AMA is not going in that direction they need to know so they can look to another organization to do that. Council was in agreement to move in that direction. Hanson noted the FAA has a long-standing position that if you are flying for money as a prize, this does not make it a commercial operation. The FAA is familiar with AMA’s documents 550/560; they are interested in seeing a set of racing documents/rules. The President will take the lead on this."
I'm having a hard time with this. The FAA would not let the AMA do something as simple as using our AMA numbers as a registration number ( which by the way has dropped off the radar) and "protect" what we had but is going to let the AMA run drone racing?
Mike
I'm having a hard time with this. The FAA would not let the AMA do something as simple as using our AMA numbers as a registration number ( which by the way has dropped off the radar) and "protect" what we had but is going to let the AMA run drone racing?
Mike
05-18-2016, 04:32 AM
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I'm not sure how the AMA could pull this off if it's considered a commercial operation. However, it's good to see the FAA has the confidence in the AMA to recommend they do it.
05-18-2016, 06:21 AM
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"Rich Hanson reported on his call with the FAA regarding FPV racing. The FAA is looking to the Academy to manage the activity; bringing the community together and standardizing the rules, specifically the safety aspect of the rules. The FAA indicated if this turns into an actual professional sport, they wanted the Academy to be the sanctioning body. If AMA is not going in that direction they need to know so they can look to another organization to do that. Council was in agreement to move in that direction. Hanson noted the FAA has a long-standing position that if you are flying for money as a prize, this does not make it a commercial operation. The FAA is familiar with AMA’s documents 550/560; they are interested in seeing a set of racing documents/rules. The President will take the lead on this."
I'm having a hard time with this. The FAA would not let the AMA do something as simple as using our AMA numbers as a registration number ( which by the way has dropped off the radar) and "protect" what we had but is going to let the AMA run drone racing?
Mike
I'm having a hard time with this. The FAA would not let the AMA do something as simple as using our AMA numbers as a registration number ( which by the way has dropped off the radar) and "protect" what we had but is going to let the AMA run drone racing?
Mike
The FAA is looking to the Academy to manage the activity; bringing the community together and standardizing the rules, specifically the safety aspect of the rules.
Seems like a good thing no?This is somehow bad, because they wouldn't let the AMA use our numbers instead of theirs? How is this related? Could it have anything to do with the costs associated with reprogramming the system?So was there any good news in the minutes?
05-18-2016, 07:54 AM
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"Rich Hanson reported on his call with the FAA regarding FPV racing. The FAA is looking to the Academy to manage the activity; bringing the community together and standardizing the rules, specifically the safety aspect of the rules. The FAA indicated if this turns into an actual professional sport, they wanted the Academy to be the sanctioning body. If AMA is not going in that direction they need to know so they can look to another organization to do that. Council was in agreement to move in that direction. Hanson noted the FAA has a long-standing position that if you are flying for money as a prize, this does not make it a commercial operation. The FAA is familiar with AMA’s documents 550/560; they are interested in seeing a set of racing documents/rules. The President will take the lead on this."
I'm having a hard time with this. The FAA would not let the AMA do something as simple as using our AMA numbers as a registration number ( which by the way has dropped off the radar) and "protect" what we had but is going to let the AMA run drone racing?
Mike
I'm having a hard time with this. The FAA would not let the AMA do something as simple as using our AMA numbers as a registration number ( which by the way has dropped off the radar) and "protect" what we had but is going to let the AMA run drone racing?
Mike
05-18-2016, 08:02 AM
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"Rich Hanson reported on his call with the FAA regarding FPV racing. The FAA is looking to the Academy to manage the activity; bringing the community together and standardizing the rules, specifically the safety aspect of the rules. The FAA indicated if this turns into an actual professional sport, they wanted the Academy to be the sanctioning body. If AMA is not going in that direction they need to know so they can look to another organization to do that. Council was in agreement to move in that direction. Hanson noted the FAA has a long-standing position that if you are flying for money as a prize, this does not make it a commercial operation. The FAA is familiar with AMA’s documents 550/560; they are interested in seeing a set of racing documents/rules. The President will take the lead on this."
I'm having a hard time with this. The FAA would not let the AMA do something as simple as using our AMA numbers as a registration number ( which by the way has dropped off the radar) and "protect" what we had but is going to let the AMA run drone racing?
Mike
I'm having a hard time with this. The FAA would not let the AMA do something as simple as using our AMA numbers as a registration number ( which by the way has dropped off the radar) and "protect" what we had but is going to let the AMA run drone racing?
Mike
05-18-2016, 12:43 PM
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05-18-2016, 02:28 PM
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Some of you can make such a stupid mountain out of a molehill
05-18-2016, 02:31 PM
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Drone Zone?
Drone Zones and Cities Initiative: T. Stillman created cards which will be mailed to city officials, city managers, parks & recreation, county commissioners, etc. The cards will point them to the website (why.modelaircraft.org/drones) to explain why they would want to create a drone zone in their town. The plan is to do a limited launch to park & recreation officials in the next couple of weeks to get a response and then move forward with groups Headquarters feels would be interested. At the end of the website, they are instructed to contact Tony and he will work with clubs or modelers in the area to aid in developing these sites. Stillman will do a push email to clubs notifying them of the initiative. E. Williams noted that there are MultiGP chapters across the country, many of which are AMA clubs, that could be helpful.
Drone Zones and Cities Initiative: T. Stillman created cards which will be mailed to city officials, city managers, parks & recreation, county commissioners, etc. The cards will point them to the website (why.modelaircraft.org/drones) to explain why they would want to create a drone zone in their town. The plan is to do a limited launch to park & recreation officials in the next couple of weeks to get a response and then move forward with groups Headquarters feels would be interested. At the end of the website, they are instructed to contact Tony and he will work with clubs or modelers in the area to aid in developing these sites. Stillman will do a push email to clubs notifying them of the initiative. E. Williams noted that there are MultiGP chapters across the country, many of which are AMA clubs, that could be helpful.
05-18-2016, 03:21 PM
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Drone Zone?
Drone Zones and Cities Initiative: T. Stillman created cards which will be mailed to city officials, city managers, parks & recreation, county commissioners, etc. The cards will point them to the website (why.modelaircraft.org/drones) to explain why they would want to create a drone zone in their town. The plan is to do a limited launch to park & recreation officials in the next couple of weeks to get a response and then move forward with groups Headquarters feels would be interested. At the end of the website, they are instructed to contact Tony and he will work with clubs or modelers in the area to aid in developing these sites. Stillman will do a push email to clubs notifying them of the initiative. E. Williams noted that there are MultiGP chapters across the country, many of which are AMA clubs, that could be helpful.
Drone Zones and Cities Initiative: T. Stillman created cards which will be mailed to city officials, city managers, parks & recreation, county commissioners, etc. The cards will point them to the website (why.modelaircraft.org/drones) to explain why they would want to create a drone zone in their town. The plan is to do a limited launch to park & recreation officials in the next couple of weeks to get a response and then move forward with groups Headquarters feels would be interested. At the end of the website, they are instructed to contact Tony and he will work with clubs or modelers in the area to aid in developing these sites. Stillman will do a push email to clubs notifying them of the initiative. E. Williams noted that there are MultiGP chapters across the country, many of which are AMA clubs, that could be helpful.
Is there another viable alternative?
05-18-2016, 03:30 PM
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OMG. not everyone who flies is required to belong to the AMA so the registration system had to be set up anyway. It's bad enough to expect a Federal Government Agency to keep track of one set of numbers, much less two.
Some of you can make such a stupid mountain out of a molehill
Some of you can make such a stupid mountain out of a molehill
Now if that's the case why are they not out in charge of the whole shebang? Then the FAA can tend to important stuff.
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05-18-2016, 03:36 PM
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No ones making a " mountain out of a mole hill " it was rather simple question. Now the FAA won't even recognize the AMA as a CBO but they are going to have the "Academy to manage the activity; bringing the community together and standardizing the rules, specifically the safety aspect of the rules."
Now if that's the case why are they not out in charge of the whole shebang? Then the FAA can tend to important stuff.
MIke
Now if that's the case why are they not out in charge of the whole shebang? Then the FAA can tend to important stuff.
MIke
05-18-2016, 04:42 PM
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No ones making a " mountain out of a mole hill " it was rather simple question. Now the FAA won't even recognize the AMA as a CBO but they are going to have the "Academy to manage the activity; bringing the community together and standardizing the rules, specifically the safety aspect of the rules."
Now if that's the case why are they not out in charge of the whole shebang? Then the FAA can tend to important stuff.
MIke
Now if that's the case why are they not out in charge of the whole shebang? Then the FAA can tend to important stuff.
MIke
05-18-2016, 05:05 PM
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05-18-2016, 06:08 PM
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Just more of the same narrative, AMA=Bad. Now they are accused of intentionally lying to the membership. I thought the salary shaming, then the great misspelled word on the webpage debacle, and finally the Pinghazi issues were the lows, I guess we have farther to go.
05-19-2016, 04:09 AM
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05-19-2016, 04:11 AM
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OMG. not everyone who flies is required to belong to the AMA so the registration system had to be set up anyway. It's bad enough to expect a Federal Government Agency to keep track of one set of numbers, much less two.
Some of you can make such a stupid mountain out of a molehill
Some of you can make such a stupid mountain out of a molehill
05-19-2016, 04:13 AM
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No ones making a " mountain out of a mole hill " it was rather simple question. Now the FAA won't even recognize the AMA as a CBO but they are going to have the "Academy to manage the activity; bringing the community together and standardizing the rules, specifically the safety aspect of the rules."
Now if that's the case why are they not out in charge of the whole shebang? Then the FAA can tend to important stuff.
MIke
Now if that's the case why are they not out in charge of the whole shebang? Then the FAA can tend to important stuff.
MIke
05-19-2016, 04:15 AM
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I believe their membership numbers to be accurate. Well for last year anyway. I expect 2016 numbers to be higher. How could you accuse them of lying?
05-19-2016, 05:20 AM
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No ones making a " mountain out of a mole hill " it was rather simple question. Now the FAA won't even recognize the AMA as a CBO but they are going to have the "Academy to manage the activity; bringing the community together and standardizing the rules, specifically the safety aspect of the rules."
Now if that's the case why are they not out in charge of the whole shebang? Then the FAA can tend to important stuff.
MIke
Now if that's the case why are they not out in charge of the whole shebang? Then the FAA can tend to important stuff.
MIke
05-19-2016, 05:24 AM
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That really depends on who's perspective you're viewing this from. The FAA already has their system in place with lots of folks registered. Integrating an additional system would be more work for the FAA. Thus, from the FAA's perspective what they already have in place is the simplest and most efficient approach.
05-19-2016, 05:48 AM
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In what I'm sure you'll find shocking, I actually have no problem with AMA being involved provided (1) membership is not mandatory, and (2) any staff hired or used for the purpose are supported by revenue raised exclusively from the activities they're supporting (i.e. it's self sustaining). Idea being that if revenues drop, the staff support drops. If it succeeds, great. If it fails to sustain, then it doesn't become a drain on other AMA resources - i.e. we're not asked to subsidize it. For shared resources, i.e. they need something out of a staffer at HQ but it doesn't support an FTE, then that program would pay a percentage of that person's salary based on how much of their time is billed to that purpose.
05-19-2016, 05:50 AM
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I do the same...there's certainly spin for the consumption of the membership. I suppose I don't blame them, it's really tough for organizations under threat to be completely honest with their members.