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Old 08-10-2016, 05:18 AM
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Digging around the net last night I stumbled on this.
https://www.aopa.org/go-fly/aircraft...ear-an-airport


Is AOPA positioning to be considered a CBO too? They would appear to do many if not all of the things necessary... the advocacy, education, and on this page some rules. I also note the organization path of the page is "Go Fly" then "Aircraft and Ownership" and then "Drones." So is AOPA saying that a drone is just one type of aircraft that people own?

As FAA said "model aircraft" are a subset of "all aircraft," then why couldn't someone argue they're a CBO too?
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You are reading too much into it. I'm a member of AOPA as well as AMA. They are partners in making sure the drone issue does not become a bigger problem. For AMA is to keep modeling a sport and keep the FAA out of the hobby. For AOPA is to keep their members safe and to help guide hobbyists in the right direction (they are not all member of AMA, or even know that it exists). I am one of thousands of people that got started flying in RC and now fly full scale. Education is education doesn't matter where is comes from.

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Originally Posted by Rafael23cc View Post
You are reading too much into it. I'm a member of AOPA as well as AMA. They are partners in making sure the drone issue does not become a bigger problem. For AMA is to keep modeling a sport and keep the FAA out of the hobby. For AOPA is to keep their members safe and to help guide hobbyists in the right direction (they are not all member of AMA, or even know that it exists). I am one of thousands of people that got started flying in RC and now fly full scale. Education is education doesn't matter where is comes from.

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You're absolutely correct on the education comment. Even more so on the reading too much into it comment. In all likelihood this will just become a criticism of the aopa, or the ama. Wait for it.
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Originally Posted by porcia83 View Post
In all likelihood this will just become a criticism of the aopa, or the ama. Wait for it.
I make an honest observation and get this unprovoked response.
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Originally Posted by Rafael23cc View Post
You are reading too much into it. I'm a member of AOPA as well as AMA. They are partners in making sure the drone issue does not become a bigger problem. For AMA is to keep modeling a sport and keep the FAA out of the hobby. For AOPA is to keep their members safe and to help guide hobbyists in the right direction (they are not all member of AMA, or even know that it exists). I am one of thousands of people that got started flying in RC and now fly full scale. Education is education doesn't matter where is comes from.

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100 percent what Rafael has explained!
Old 08-10-2016, 07:23 AM
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Originally Posted by Rafael23cc View Post
You are reading too much into it. I'm a member of AOPA as well as AMA. They are partners in making sure the drone issue does not become a bigger problem. For AMA is to keep modeling a sport and keep the FAA out of the hobby. For AOPA is to keep their members safe and to help guide hobbyists in the right direction (they are not all member of AMA, or even know that it exists). I am one of thousands of people that got started flying in RC and now fly full scale. Education is education doesn't matter where is comes from.

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While I partially agree, the rules on flying your drone posted on the AOPA site are prescriptive. They're not worded like "..here's what drone fliers are being told..." It's guidance for their readers on how to fly safely. Is that education? Sure. Is it also forming the basis of a safety code? Could be. And why not? They've already got all the other parts of CBO requirements.
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Franklin on the drone side, I could see money to be made by the AOPA, so it is a possibility. If the AOPA is looking to increase their bottom line, this could be more than education. They could be scoping the waters to see if it would be worth it for them to jump into that market.

Interesting theory, but I still believe what Rafael has posted.
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This could very well be possible , but the possibility of AOPA as a CBO will be downplayed and minimalized here by those that see a second CBO as a challenge to the only operating CBO at present . Kinda like the reaction was to the SFA , Instead of being seen as a second option , this will be seen as a threat and will never be accepted by those that LCS so rightly termed "the AMAish" .
Exactly. It seems odd at first for AOPA to be a CBO as per Sec 336, but I can warm up to the idea real quick. "CBO, such as AMA" in government regulatory material is getting really trite, and has been from the start a thin veil covering a monopoly with government sanction. No CBO is better than one, but multiple CBOs would make it tolerable.
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Originally Posted by cj_rumley View Post
Exactly. It seems odd at first for AOPA to be a CBO as per Sec 336, but I can warm up to the idea real quick. "CBO, such as AMA" in government regulatory material is getting really trite, and has been from the start a thin veil covering a monopoly with government sanction. No CBO is better than one, but multiple CBOs would make it tolerable.
A true miracle from heaven. I'm sure so many will be sleeping better tonight just knowing another CBO may exist.
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Originally Posted by chris p. Bacon View Post
a true miracle from heaven. I'm sure so many will be sleeping better tonight just knowing another cbo may exist.
lol!
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Originally Posted by TimJ View Post
lol!
I know I'll be sleeping better tonight. First time since February 2003!
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That very well may happen who knows, but I think it would be a good idea to have multiple CBO’s since congress has passed a law that revolves around RC aircraft having a CBO.
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I believe more choices = better (MOST of the time!)

I'm not pro or con for multiple CBO's, but here are some thoughts:

AOPA as a CBO would most likely be more restrictive than the AMA (to modelers) as they would likely be looking to protect the majority of their members (full-scale pilots). The whole reason the FAA is even messing with RC in the first place!!!!

I also believe that in this situation, IF there were multiple CBO's, and they all had widely varying safety rules, it would eventually force the FAA to either draft their own set of guidelines or adopt a single set of guidelines just for simplicity's sake.

Please think through all potentialities before simply adopting the more = better mantra.

Astro
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Old 08-10-2016, 04:10 PM
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Originally Posted by franklin_m View Post
I make an honest observation and get this unprovoked response.
Feeling guilty? Did I say you would be making those comments? The world is full of cynics and skeptics....
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Originally Posted by ira d View Post
That very well may happen who knows, but I think it would be a good idea to have multiple CBO’s since congress has passed a law that revolves around RC aircraft having a CBO.
Agree...the more the merrier.
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Originally Posted by porcia83 View Post
Agree...the more the merrier.
LOLOLOL!!!!!

EXCEPT when it comes to candidates? Convenient.

Astro
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Originally Posted by astrohog View Post
LOLOLOL!!!!!

EXCEPT when it comes to candidates? Convenient.

Astro
Swing and a miss...but par for the course on petty antics. A weak and not even close comparison...but at least I made you smile.

But ya...more choice is almost always a good thing, but folks over the age of 12 understand there are limitations to this.
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Originally Posted by astrohog View Post
LOLOLOL!!!!!

EXCEPT when it comes to candidates? Convenient.

Astro
Yeah, Astro is back! Any update on the Magic 14?
Old 08-10-2016, 04:39 PM
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Originally Posted by porcia83 View Post
Swing and a miss...but par for the course on petty antics. A weak and not even close comparison...but at least I made you smile.

But ya...more choice is almost always a good thing, but folks over the age of 12 understand there are limitations to this.
Well....if you say so......

Agree to disagree?

Astro
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Old 08-10-2016, 05:21 PM
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Ah man, it looks like the stupid AOPA also thinks benefits are for members!! What BS. Just another money grab:

https://www.aopa.org/membership/membership-benefits

I asked AAA yesterday why they don't offer their services to non-members, because they too are another organization that feels benefits are for members only.!!
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Originally Posted by init4fun View Post
Knocks it clear outta the park , home run for Astro !!!!

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