What If?
#26
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400 ft
it would appear that AMA is acknowledging franlkins point about the applicability of the new law.
http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/ama-...t-class-g.html
it would appear that AMA is acknowledging franlkins point about the applicability of the new law.
http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/ama-...t-class-g.html
#30
Why don't you fill us in on the whole story then? I'm all ears(or should I say eyes). BTW, I want official documentation either linked or cut and pasted, just like Franklin does, to back your statements or we'll all be calling you the same things you call Franklin.
Last edited by Hydro Junkie; 06-11-2019 at 02:40 PM.
#31
Moderator
Guys, please keep conversations civil. 2 different people have reported posts in this thread, and I agree that the conversation has taken a very unproductive turn. I'll be having a private conversation with those who are not adhering to the RCU community standards. When RCKen, the AMA forum mod gets a chance to review what's here, he may decide to do more.
So, gentlemen, please stick to the topic and do so in a civilized manner, or don't post at all.
So, gentlemen, please stick to the topic and do so in a civilized manner, or don't post at all.
#33
As far as my participation on RCU let me repeat a phrase used by your " Dear Leader " so many times. What I do with my time is my business! I'm not the one here that needs to get out and enjoy the hobby more, my main involvement with the hobby is not aimed at tearing it down like Franklin's or trying to be a big fish in a little pond like his followers.
While I appreciate the armchair psycho-analysis, comments about my ego etc., I would note that you're not a doctor, and if you are, you have not examined me. To make comments about one's mental makeup is at best a personal attack. At worst it's petty. It's also based entirely on emotion. And not my emotion.
As for "Dear Leader." I would note that starting a letter with "Dear________" is a common traditional salutation. As President of AMA, he is in fact a "leader". So "Dear Leader" is a completely approprate start to a letter. How you choose to interpret it is your business. It was used in the manner it was used.
On the subject of our "Dear Leader," I would note that this is the same individual that called for the FAA to take enforcement action against the very people he's presumably hoping will become members. Now I don't know of many succesful business models that rely on insulting your potential customers. But hey, I suppose there's always a first. Actually though, it isn't a first, at least not a succesful one. Which circles me back to the opposition to the direction and decisions of the organization. I cite this as yet more proof that they're on the wrong path. As a dues paying member, I'm free to register my displeasure. If you disagree, fine. But that doesn't prohibit me from doing anything.
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#34
Guys, please keep conversations civil. 2 different people have reported posts in this thread, and I agree that the conversation has taken a very unproductive turn. I'll be having a private conversation with those who are not adhering to the RCU community standards. When RCKen, the AMA forum mod gets a chance to review what's here, he may decide to do more.
So, gentlemen, please stick to the topic and do so in a civilized manner, or don't post at all.
So, gentlemen, please stick to the topic and do so in a civilized manner, or don't post at all.
#35
As for class G, there is a law in place that explicitly prohibits flight above 400 AGL (note 1). I personally believe that it harms the hobby to have legislators, regulators, media, and taxpayers seeing CBO members ignore the law, especially when it's done based on a CBO's comments to "fly as we always have." Defiance of law is not a good case for saying "we're not the problem." But if you disagree, you're free to do as you please. But my argument is that such actions have the potential to hurt the very hobby you say you love.
Note 1: https://www.congress.gov/search?q=%7B%22search%22%3A%22cite%3APL115-254%22%7D
#36
Airfield where Jets over Kentucky will be held is class G. I'm not aware that they have an FAA waiver to exceed 400 AGL, nor am I aware of any FAA waivers to exceed 400 AGL anywhere in the nation. AMA says (or strongly implies) that it's legal, but FAA has been exceedingly consistent that 400 is the limit in class G.
#37
It's a trend in America these days to let everyone be a winner. And not a good one.
#38
My Feedback: (29)
It's clear that you and I disagree about the value of AMA. What you call tearing down, I call holding them accountable for the decisions they make (financial, operational, legislative, etc.).
While I appreciate the armchair psycho-analysis, comments about my ego etc., I would note that you're not a doctor, and if you are, you have not examined me. To make comments about one's mental makeup is at best a personal attack. At worst it's petty. It's also based entirely on emotion. And not my emotion.
As for "Dear Leader." I would note that starting a letter with "Dear________" is a common traditional salutation. As President of AMA, he is in fact a "leader". So "Dear Leader" is a completely approprate start to a letter. How you choose to interpret it is your business. It was used in the manner it was used..
While I appreciate the armchair psycho-analysis, comments about my ego etc., I would note that you're not a doctor, and if you are, you have not examined me. To make comments about one's mental makeup is at best a personal attack. At worst it's petty. It's also based entirely on emotion. And not my emotion.
As for "Dear Leader." I would note that starting a letter with "Dear________" is a common traditional salutation. As President of AMA, he is in fact a "leader". So "Dear Leader" is a completely approprate start to a letter. How you choose to interpret it is your business. It was used in the manner it was used..
Note that I said " tearing down the HOBBY " and you immediately fire back with a comment about the AMA. Not sure if I am the one responding on an emotional level here.
#39
For me to race boats, I have to pay $15 per year for any boats I want to register and run, $20 for the first and $5 for each additional boat to race PER EVENT and $50 per year to NAMBA. That means, for me to run the full season, I'm looking at $325 per year, not counting food, gas and lodging just to get to and stay at the race location, consumables such as battery packs, nitro fuel(50% nitro minimum at $35+ per gallon), glow plugs(up to 7 per race at $4+ per plug), etc.
#40
Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't the AMA trying to "run the hobby"? They already require clubs to force people that apply for membership join the AMA as a condition of acceptance. It seems, to me anyway, that would be "tearing down the HOBBY". If someone doesn't want or can't afford to pay for the membership of both the AMA and the club, that person has just been turned away from that club and will probably sell off anything they have already bought.
For me to race boats, I have to pay $15 per year for any boats I want to register and run, $20 for the first and $5 for each additional boat to race PER EVENT and $50 per year to NAMBA. That means, for me to run the full season, I'm looking at $325 per year, not counting food, gas and lodging just to get to and stay at the race location, consumables such as battery packs, nitro fuel(50% nitro minimum at $35+ per gallon), glow plugs(up to 7 per race at $4+ per plug), etc.
For me to race boats, I have to pay $15 per year for any boats I want to register and run, $20 for the first and $5 for each additional boat to race PER EVENT and $50 per year to NAMBA. That means, for me to run the full season, I'm looking at $325 per year, not counting food, gas and lodging just to get to and stay at the race location, consumables such as battery packs, nitro fuel(50% nitro minimum at $35+ per gallon), glow plugs(up to 7 per race at $4+ per plug), etc.
BTW, Since this is my thread, I have asked the mods to close it, lock it whatever. And someday they may actually do it.
#41
#5 Discusses AMA event Muncie
#8 Discusses NATS in Muncie and Blytheville
#10 Questioning whether or not I'll attend AMA events
#12 Non-AMA related post
#14 Discusses me going to (AMA) events
#16 Discusses his attendence at (AMA) TD event
#18 Discussing IMAC, CDs etc., AMA related
#20 Questioning whether or not I'll attend AMA events
#22 Discussing AMA in several places
#24 Discussing AMA prep for NATS
#27 Non-AMA related post
#30 Post from FAA site
#34 Now discussing "the hobby" separate from other 8 AMA related posts
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#42
My Feedback: (29)
Nope, both of you please read what was written. I said " THE HOBBY "....... as in what is being done here is having a negitive affect on the hobby as a whole. Yes AMA needs improvements. I have said this at least a dozen times in these threads but it appears it had fallen on deaf ears as I have been accused of everything to being a leader member to having a cult like affection for the AMA. Should there be a 400' hard deck everywhere it will effectively kill of several forms of competition. That would have a profound effect on the hobby as a whole. We will loose yet even more suppliers and the ones that remain will have fewer selections and higher prices. Will you want credit for that as well Franklin?
#43
Should there be a 400' hard deck everywhere it will effectively kill of several forms of competition. That would have a profound effect on the hobby as a whole. We will loose yet even more suppliers and the ones that remain will have fewer selections and higher prices.
Nope.
#44
Franklin, you didn't call him a leader member but I did. Actually, I've done so many times and have done so since several of his posts were very similar to someone else's that claimed to be a leader member. It doesn't really matter, when you really look at it since the AMA, like the Titanic, has hit an iceberg. The only difference is that the Titanic hit one made of ice while the AMA hit one made of quad copters and Congress members. The Titanic may have sunk faster but the AMA is still going to sink unless the damage control becomes more effective, like that on the USS Franklin(CV-13) back in March 1945, and very quickly
Last edited by Hydro Junkie; 06-13-2019 at 11:17 AM.
#45
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So then you are fine about establishing multiple class of citizens then? What you just said is that the guy with the money should always win regardless of what it takes away from others. You claim that you have saved the hobby millions by having the FAA change one single word with regards to CBO membership and look at all those guys who now save 75.00 per year. Yet you are fine with and support a 400' ceiling which effectively makes every open class, F3J, F3B, F5J and ALES sailplane, every IMAC and every F3A/pattern airplane obsolete at the cost of much more then what you claim to have saved " US ". But it's OK because multi Billion dollar retailers need to make more money. The Fed will get more tax money that they can waste on bogus investigations and making themselves richer. While the little guy gets the shaft again. Bravo Franklin...........
#46
So then you are fine about establishing multiple class of citizens then? What you just said is that the guy with the money should always win regardless of what it takes away from others. You claim that you have saved the hobby millions by having the FAA change one single word with regards to CBO membership and look at all those guys who now save 75.00 per year.
Yet you are fine with and support a 400' ceiling which effectively makes every open class, F3J, F3B, F5J and ALES sailplane, every IMAC and every F3A/pattern airplane obsolete at the cost of much more then what you claim to have saved " US ". But it's OK because multi Billion dollar retailers need to make more money.
It's not the little guy getting the shaft, it's capitialism at work. And if you want to see what it REALLY looks like when the little guy gets the shaft, I strongly suggest you go live in any number of countries where oligarchs run things. Then you'll be very appreciative of what we have here. Which brings me to another point. I'm sorry you have such a dim view of government. Ours isn't perfect, by any measure, but I've lived and worked in places that make me very happy every time I return to US soil .. faults and all.
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#47
It's not the little guy getting the shaft, it's capitialism at work. And if you want to see what it REALLY looks like when the little guy gets the shaft, I strongly suggest you go live in any number of countries where oligarchs run things. Then you'll be very appreciative of what we have here. Which brings me to another point. I'm sorry you have such a dim view of government. Ours isn't perfect, by any measure, but I've lived and worked in places that make me very happy every time I return to US soil .. faults and all.
Mombasa Kenya wasn't much better. While the people were nice, the locals lived in run down buildings along a river while the tourists stayed in extravagant beachfront hotels a few miles north of town. The difference was night and day between the two, One one hand, you had sparkling white beaches with gleaming hotels near by and, on the other, a muddy looking river with utilitarian buildings closely spaced with just enough room to let one car get between them,
#49
My Feedback: (1)
Airfield where Jets over Kentucky will be held is class G. I'm not aware that they have an FAA waiver to exceed 400 AGL, nor am I aware of any FAA waivers to exceed 400 AGL anywhere in the nation. AMA says (or strongly implies) that it's legal, but FAA has been exceedingly consistent that 400 is the limit in class G.
I just visited this AMA event at the Wenatchee Red Apple Flyers' field in Wenatchee, WA. The field was packed, and everyone seemed to be, "flying as they always have", despite that field being within 2 miles of Pangborn Field and listed on the FAA map as 0' altitude limit. LOL
Astro
#50
https://www.modelaircraft.org/events/ama-northwest-jamboree-0
I just visited this AMA event at the Wenatchee Red Apple Flyers' field in Wenatchee, WA. The field was packed, and everyone seemed to be, "flying as they always have", despite that field being within 2 miles of Pangborn Field and listed on the FAA map as 0' altitude limit. LOL
Astro
I just visited this AMA event at the Wenatchee Red Apple Flyers' field in Wenatchee, WA. The field was packed, and everyone seemed to be, "flying as they always have", despite that field being within 2 miles of Pangborn Field and listed on the FAA map as 0' altitude limit. LOL
Astro