The Happy AMA Thread , What do YOU do with them ?
#276
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If WE are not the problem and the FEDS realize(d) that, the FEDS should have implemented a program for the droners that would assure the Federal concerns were met. Since WE are not the problem, why should WE have to envelop and be responsible for those who ARE the problem?
Very poorly executed by the AMA IMO.
Astro
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#283
Seems like that's doing things the hard way. The boating club I have a membership in has a website that gives anyone that wants to look general club information. For members, there is a member's only area that has information that the powers that be don't want to be general knowledge such as contact information, minutes, etc. The AMA could do something just as simple EXCEPT they don't want to have that kind of transparency as the members might start asking questions the EC won't want to answer
#287
Not me, not going out playing in the near future
Looking at rain from yesterday through Sunday morning
Sun and nice weather forecast for next week while I'm at work
Boats aren't ready to go, planes aren't either
Worst of all, if there's a break on Sunday, the wife will want to work in the yard all day
Looking at rain from yesterday through Sunday morning
Sun and nice weather forecast for next week while I'm at work
Boats aren't ready to go, planes aren't either
Worst of all, if there's a break on Sunday, the wife will want to work in the yard all day
#289
Senior Member
Again, AMA propaganda. Model aircraft are a footnote in all of this, at least the hobby as we know it. It is seen by the FAA as an anachronism
to be phased out over time. AMA helped it along by buying into the "drones are the future" thing and those few of us left will pay the price,
not withstanding the gigantic pretty pictures.
(Between the awesome photos BarracudaHockey's point implied that AMA was doing big things with the FAA - bending that bureauracracy to AMA's will maybe!!!)
to be phased out over time. AMA helped it along by buying into the "drones are the future" thing and those few of us left will pay the price,
not withstanding the gigantic pretty pictures.
(Between the awesome photos BarracudaHockey's point implied that AMA was doing big things with the FAA - bending that bureauracracy to AMA's will maybe!!!)
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#290
Senior Member
As I mentioned, when the Flight Test guys visited the FAA's UAS Integration Office in Washington DC, the staff there were surprised that people flew
RC model aircraft anywhere but an AMA field. The base assumtion is that we are dealing with people who know nothing about the hobby, and now never
will because of AMA. AMA is the defacto voice of model aviation and all AMA has talked about is AMA. They are a victim of their own CBO scheme, having
pitched it relentlessly to the FAA for over a decade, shutting out the other 80% of the actual hobby and killing themselves and us in the process.
Cheers for barracudaHockey, a great representative for all that we love about model aviation. It has nothing to do with him.
RC model aircraft anywhere but an AMA field. The base assumtion is that we are dealing with people who know nothing about the hobby, and now never
will because of AMA. AMA is the defacto voice of model aviation and all AMA has talked about is AMA. They are a victim of their own CBO scheme, having
pitched it relentlessly to the FAA for over a decade, shutting out the other 80% of the actual hobby and killing themselves and us in the process.
Cheers for barracudaHockey, a great representative for all that we love about model aviation. It has nothing to do with him.
#291
As I mentioned, when the Flight Test guys visited the FAA's UAS Integration Office in Washington DC, the staff there were surprised that people flew RC model aircraft anywhere but an AMA field. The base assumtion is that we are dealing with people who know nothing about the hobby, and now never will because of AMA. AMA is the defacto voice of model aviation and all AMA has talked about is AMA.
So what did FAA do in response? They gave AMA exactly what they asked for, just not in the way they wanted it. AMA got their FRIAs, but with serious strings. My point is that FAA (and many Congressional staffs) no longer view AMA as this group of nice old guys playing with their toy planes. They've been made aware of major disconnects in AMA's actions. One example is how AMA told Congress that 336 was for the hobby, then turned around and told citizens that had to be members of AMA to use it (note 1). And once they knew that, Congress promptly corrected that problem by changing an "and" to an "or." Another example is AMA telling FAA and others they have a Safety Management System. Only to have FAA and staffers be made aware of several high profile specific events, or patterns of behavior at sites, where AMA knew or should have known there were issues - yet did nothing. In one case, AMA's own safety standoffs were waived with EC member in attendance - who did nothing. It becomes yet another example of AMA presenting itself to staffers one way, only to be discovered as quite different.
Again, staffers absolutely hate that. And once that credibility is burned, you don't get it back. I think it explains why AMA is making such little headway. Exactly how many sites have received higher altitudes as a result of AMA involvement so far? A dozen or so? Out of hundreds in controlled airspace? And out of thousands in class G? I don't know about you folks, but that's looking like another "slow roll" to me.
Note 1: Hanson OpEd, ED statement on YouTube video, Hanson statement in MA column, EVP statement in MA column, and Flying Site Coordinator statement during online interview, AMA blog posts - among others.
#292
Just because AMA says something does not make it true. I seem to remember piles of communications saying how the FAA reauthorization bill was going well. Only to find out the complete opposite later.
#293
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Anyone aware that the F3A team selections is happening right now in Muncie and the 2021 F3A World Campionships will be hosted in Muncie. I'm kinda wondering why the FAA would allow this if their intent is to phase us out.
@Hydro, great story about being on deck. Sincerely glad that neither of you were injured. Indeed a great example of situational awareness ( required training at Aerojet ). As to observation, I would be interested in you sources of observation. It appears to me that those in this forum speaking the loudest about the unavoidable doom coming to our hobby are those who are not very active or not currently active at all in the hobby of flying model airplanes. I'm just wondering where your observation is happening if not seeing first hand the happenings at any club site.
@Hydro, great story about being on deck. Sincerely glad that neither of you were injured. Indeed a great example of situational awareness ( required training at Aerojet ). As to observation, I would be interested in you sources of observation. It appears to me that those in this forum speaking the loudest about the unavoidable doom coming to our hobby are those who are not very active or not currently active at all in the hobby of flying model airplanes. I'm just wondering where your observation is happening if not seeing first hand the happenings at any club site.
#294
It appears to me that those in this forum speaking the loudest about the unavoidable doom coming to our hobby are those who are not very active or not currently active at all in the hobby of flying model airplanes. I'm just wondering where your observation is happening if not seeing first hand the happenings at any club site.
#295
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Because FAA knows they're going to win the RemoteID battle. Just as they won the testing battle. Just as they won the operational limitations battle. Just as they won the end of 336 battle. Just as they won the registration battle.
See above. In addition, revenue continues to drop. The magazines continue to lose money. Club fees and event sanction fees continue to drop. And despite what some are saying about membership is being flat, the trend in membership revenue is continued down.
See above. In addition, revenue continues to drop. The magazines continue to lose money. Club fees and event sanction fees continue to drop. And despite what some are saying about membership is being flat, the trend in membership revenue is continued down.
First paragraph, they haven't won yet on RID. What test? Wasn't the deadline several months ago? Registration, big deal. $5 every 3 years and a sticker on an airplane.
Second paragraph, my post had nothing in it's content to imply the financial health or lack of, simply pointing out that when given ample opportunity to shut us down the FAA is leaving us alone. This is proven every time a sanctioned IMAC, Pattern or soaring contest is held. Thus the observation is that the FAA is working with the AMA. If you or anyone else can offer a different view of why these events are happening with somewhat a blessing from the FAA I'd be glad to hear it.
#297
Operational Limits? AMA wanted none. FAA won.
Testing? AMA didn't want any. FAA won.
Registration? AMA wanted exemption, or AMA number. FAA won.
...my post had nothing in it's content to imply the financial health or lack of, simply pointing out that when given ample opportunity to shut us down the FAA is leaving us alone. This is proven every time a sanctioned IMAC, Pattern or soaring contest is held. Thus the observation is that the FAA is working with the AMA. If you or anyone else can offer a different view of why these events are happening with somewhat a blessing from the FAA I'd be glad to hear it.
#298
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RemoteID? Go back and read the words. I never said they'd won.
Operational Limits? AMA wanted none. FAA won.
Testing? AMA didn't want any. FAA won.
Registration? AMA wanted exemption, or AMA number. FAA won.
Why bother. All it takes is one ugly event an not only can FAA easily prove the individuals involved were in blatant violation of law, they can also prove that the AMA was sanctioning such violations. Would be really easy to use that as justification to either deny or even revoke a CBO status. Pretty smart of FAA eh? And besides, assuming FAA gets pretty much what they want out of RemoteID, AMA will be irrelevant in a few years. Unless of course AMA craters financially first - which they seem on a path to do.
Operational Limits? AMA wanted none. FAA won.
Testing? AMA didn't want any. FAA won.
Registration? AMA wanted exemption, or AMA number. FAA won.
Why bother. All it takes is one ugly event an not only can FAA easily prove the individuals involved were in blatant violation of law, they can also prove that the AMA was sanctioning such violations. Would be really easy to use that as justification to either deny or even revoke a CBO status. Pretty smart of FAA eh? And besides, assuming FAA gets pretty much what they want out of RemoteID, AMA will be irrelevant in a few years. Unless of course AMA craters financially first - which they seem on a path to do.
Operational limits? Where? Muncie is hosting a team trials right this very minute with zero operational limits.
Test? By all means show me any test that is required in order for fly a recreational UAS.
Last point, do you really think that the FAI approved Muncie as a venue for a WC without proof of suitability which included FAA blessings or do you think the FAI and special interest groups from 20+ countries just figure they're going to show up and hope for the best?
#300
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Nope, not to mention that me attending a regional contest is as compared to a venue submitting a proposal and being approved to host a WC is not anywhere near an apples to apples comparison. Just because you guys aren't hearing about agreements being made with the FAA and City Counsels doesn't mean they aren't happening. Perhaps if you would actually participate in the hobby you would see what is happening in the real world. Example, before today how many of you knew that the team selections were happening in Muncie this weekend? How many of you knew that Muncie was approved by the FAI to host the 2021 F3A WC?