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Why isn't AMA giving details of it's "wins?"

Old 07-28-2020, 06:22 PM
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Originally Posted by speedracerntrixie View Post
Just like pot is still illegal on the federal level yet many states have made it legal. I think all this does is give the FAA some teeth when some idiot flys FPV in the wrong location and does endanger lives.
Actually, when it comes to using pot, ANYONE that works at a DOT affiliated company that uses pot is committing a FELONY, regardless of state law. That applies to truck drivers, taxi and Uber drivers, anyone that works in aviation(regardless of the job or aircraft worked on), and many other types of employment. In contrast, violation of FAA regulations when flying an R/C is only a misdemeanor unless something takes it above and beyond, making it a felony

Old 07-28-2020, 06:58 PM
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Interesting, I may remind you that I have worked for Lockheed Martin, L3 and Aerojet Rocketdyne. Of course all of them have a zero tolerance policy on drug usage. In the employee handbooks for all three of these DOD related companies it states that by accepting employment we agree to random testing and a positive test could result in termination but there was no mention of legal action. There was such incident at one of those companies and the employee in question was terminated with no other action taken.


However that is pretty far off topic. My point is that we are closing in on 2 years since this was signed into law and not one citation issued to a LOS model pilot. To me that's pretty compelling evidence that they aren't interested in us.
Old 07-28-2020, 07:33 PM
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Have someone fly into the path of a full sized airplane and see how fast that changes. That doesn't mean someone that flies all the time, just anyone being stupid.
Times have changed. When WA and CO approved the use of pot, DOT put out the word that anyone getting caught using could be charged with a felony. That's not changed since the use of pot was legalized and, just to make sure we knew, it was put out to everyone in my company as an attachment to an email warning us not to partake
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Actually they have had a chance to make examples out of a couple of bone heads and I don't know of them taking any significant action. Including one guy in my area who's an absolute menace (NOT an AMA member) flaunting stupidity on youtube and they sent him a letter and he changed his youtube channel from his own name to "somebody's FPV" and kept right on rolling, posting on Facebook what a bunch of bumbling idiots they are. So now his friends see his posts and start doing the same things because he's repeatedly getting away with it.
Old 07-29-2020, 01:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Hydro Junkie View Post
Have someone fly into the path of a full sized airplane and see how fast that changes. That doesn't mean someone that flies all the time, just anyone being stupid.
Times have changed. When WA and CO approved the use of pot, DOT put out the word that anyone getting caught using could be charged with a felony. That's not changed since the use of pot was legalized and, just to make sure we knew, it was put out to everyone in my company as an attachment to an email warning us not to partake


That has already happened a few times now since 10/18. Like Andy has said we haven't seen the hammer come down as a result. Now if a manned aircraft were to overfly a club field at say 1,000' and have a near miss with a LOS model I agree that things could change overnight. I think one thing that the law has done for us is given us an overall heightened awareness at the club fields. I hear much more vocal activity when a manned aircraft is in the area as opposed to 5 years ago. IMO that heightened awareness has done more for safety of manned aircraft then anything else implemented.
Old 07-29-2020, 05:54 PM
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Originally Posted by speedracerntrixie View Post
That has already happened a few times now since 10/18. Like Andy has said we haven't seen the hammer come down as a result. Now if a manned aircraft were to overfly a club field at say 1,000' and have a near miss with a LOS model I agree that things could change overnight. I think one thing that the law has done for us is given us an overall heightened awareness at the club fields. I hear much more vocal activity when a manned aircraft is in the area as opposed to 5 years ago. IMO that heightened awareness has done more for safety of manned aircraft then anything else implemented.
Okay, what's up with this? Twice in one week we actually agree on something
Old 07-29-2020, 11:07 PM
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Originally Posted by speedracerntrixie View Post
That has already happened a few times now since 10/18. Like Andy has said we haven't seen the hammer come down as a result. Now if a manned aircraft were to overfly a club field at say 1,000' and have a near miss with a LOS model I agree that things could change overnight. I think one thing that the law has done for us is given us an overall heightened awareness at the club fields. I hear much more vocal activity when a manned aircraft is in the area as opposed to 5 years ago. IMO that heightened awareness has done more for safety of manned aircraft then anything else implemented.
Where do I find your threads on composits?
Old 07-30-2020, 03:11 AM
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Originally Posted by ECHO24 View Post
Where do I find your threads on composits?
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Pattern Biplane




Divergent kits


These two threads have a fair amount of information.

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Old 07-31-2020, 04:31 PM
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Originally Posted by franklin_m View Post
We've heard from AMA government affairs that they're making such great progress on altitudes etc. Well, how about proving it!

How many clubs have approached AMA asking for help getting higher altitudes?

How many clubs have received higher altitudes after AMA's help?

For all of those that got higher altitudes, what were they flying before 349, what was LAANC limit, what did they request, and what did AMA get?



I have to agree with Futaba on this one....

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Old 08-02-2020, 06:03 AM
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Originally Posted by R_Strowe View Post

I have to agree with Futaba on this one....

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Posting memes? How cute. Here's one for you...

Old 08-02-2020, 06:31 AM
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Originally Posted by franklin_m View Post
Posting memes? How cute. Here's one for you...
Pretty much mirrors the time that Rich Hanson effectively took over AMA and steered it toward drones.
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Rich Hanson, as president, far as I know, isn't compensated. What's in it for him. Just curious.
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All the EC positions are volunteer.

Old 08-02-2020, 06:51 AM
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Originally Posted by fliers1 View Post
Rich Hanson, as president, far as I know, isn't compensated. What's in it for him. Just curious.
I belive he makes over 120K per year. What difference it makes whether he's paid or not? The fact is, AMA under Hanson's reign
brought drones in as "model aircraft" and destroyed the hobby in the process. The tradegy of AMA is that ostensibly they are a member
only organization but were/are responsible for policy and law for all of RC flying, member or not.

"What's in it for him." Maybe it's a big ego trip. Being totally in control of RC flying might not seem like much to outsiders, but a like a lot of
other things being a big fish in a small pond motivates people.
Old 08-02-2020, 07:02 AM
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Originally Posted by ECHO24 View Post
being a big fish in a small pond motivates people.

I've been saying the same thing in reference to this forum for years.
Old 08-02-2020, 07:37 AM
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Originally Posted by ECHO24 View Post
Pretty much mirrors the time that Rich Hanson effectively took over AMA and steered it toward drones.
Another key part of the "meme" I posted is that revenue is falling 4x faster than total expenses. While expenses are down, there are few notable areas where they aren't down, in fact they're up. Staff compensation is the #1 expense, and you see how much it's up ... over 30%.

So no surprise that what's called "program expenses," which non-profit watchdogs consider spending focused on core functions of the organization, is also down over 20% (close to revenue decrease). That means that as AMA has lost members, but staff size has remained largely constant. As revenue has fallen considerably, the area where they're NOT WILLING to cut spending in a meaningful way - staff compensation.
Old 08-02-2020, 07:41 AM
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Originally Posted by BarracudaHockey View Post
All the EC positions are volunteer.
In 2018 alone, last year for which I have IRS990 filings, shows ONE point TWO MILLION dollars in "all other expenses."

I've been around long enough that there's PLENTY of easy ways to bury some compensation that's not compensation in a pile of money that big. Want to prove it isn't happening? Then give members an itemization of that $1.2 million.
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The IRS dug all up in it a few years ago and we do an outside accounting audit every year.

So while i"m not an accountant, I can assure you that as far as I know, nothing shady is going on.

Its no secret that the EC members have a travel and expense budget. Nobody is getting rich off it though, that's for damn sure.
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Originally Posted by BarracudaHockey View Post
The IRS dug all up in it a few years ago and we do an outside accounting audit every year.

So while i"m not an accountant, I can assure you that as far as I know, nothing shady is going on.

Its no secret that the EC members have a travel and expense budget. Nobody is getting rich off it though, that's for damn sure.
Outside audit = clean bill of health? Yeah right. Enron had an outside accounting firm do their audits... and how did that work out? Oh yeah. Now I remember. Point being, that is meaningless.

IRS = clean bill of health? Not so fast on that one either. That just means that money was spent on legal purposes. It DOES NOT mean that the money was spent in a way that members would approve.

But there's an easy answer. If everything is so clean, then why not itemize that ONE point TWO MILLION DOLLARS for members? And FYI, I've already looked in the audit reports. It's not there. So again, transparency solves the issue. But we all know how AMA is allergic to transparency...
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Originally Posted by fliers1 View Post
Rich Hanson, as president, far as I know, isn't compensated. What's in it for him. Just curious.
yeah, the executive director(ed) is the one who gets paid, and is also on the ec, as a tiebreaker vote.
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I wonder

How many of you watched this latest lets call it a Town Hall?

How many of you attempted to participate or did participate?

How many of Franklin's questions or other points were brought up from the participants? From the members at large? From the EC?

Did Franklin attempt to participate (log on)?

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Originally Posted by Propworn View Post
I wonder

How many of you watched this latest lets call it a Town Hall?

How many of you attempted to participate or did participate?

How many of Franklin's questions or other points were brought up from the participants? From the members at large? From the EC?

Did Franklin attempt to participate (log on)?
Why are you concerned enough to ask these, albeit legit, questions? You don't have an ax to grind, considering you are a MAAC member and the AMA and FCC don't affect you
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Originally Posted by Hydro Junkie View Post
Why are you concerned enough to ask these, albeit legit, questions? You don't have an ax to grind, considering you are a MAAC member and the AMA and FCC don't affect you

Hydro, with all due respect I think he has just as much a right to participate in this forum as you do. He has stated several times that he occasionally flies as a guest at AMA sanctioned club fields. There is also an active agreement between the MAAC and AMA that is in play here. Personally I view this as discrimination based on nationality, something I feel you are above.
Old 08-02-2020, 05:22 PM
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Actually, it's not. Granted, he's a MAAC member but, in this case, I'm not asking the question due to his nationality or his affiliation with MAAC.
I asked the question as to why due to the questions he asked. His latest post just isn't his style. Normally, he's throwing out cheap shots at some of us or laughing at this or that that was posted by others. This time, however, he asked legitimate questions that didn't attack or demean anyone. Thus comes the question about why is he concerned enough to ask them? This kind of post isn't normal for him and, as I said, he has no ax to grind or need to worry about the FAA, AMA or FCC so, to be blunt, it just seemed weird for him to post such a legitimate group of questions into a thread. Can't I be a little curious?

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Old 08-02-2020, 06:06 PM
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I see your point and I agree that he doesn't usually contribute to the topic. That said, as a good guest shouldn't he make an effort to know what is going on with the FAA and AMA prior to coming across the border and flying with his AMA friends? Hasn't Franklin made the claim that he has all the facts and wants to enlighten everyone? Where would be a better place for Dennis to go to get correct information prior to visiting the US?

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