Why isn't AMA giving details of it's "wins?"
08-05-2020, 04:03 PM
#76
My post has exactly NOTHING to do with Hydro , and everything to do with you saying that Dennis "doesn't usually contribute to the topic" !
Now , DO NOT twist MY post into anything more than it is , an admonishment of DENNIS that even his allies , like YOU , think that he "doesn't usually contribute to the topic"
Last edited by init4fun; 08-05-2020 at 04:06 PM.
08-05-2020, 04:05 PM
#77
I see your point and I agree that he doesn't usually contribute to the topic. That said, as a good guest shouldn't he make an effort to know what is going on with the FAA and AMA prior to coming across the border and flying with his AMA friends? Hasn't Franklin made the claim that he has all the facts and wants to enlighten everyone? Where would be a better place for Dennis to go to get correct information prior to visiting the US?
Sure looks like you were talking about DENNIS and not Hydro here to me !!!!!!!!!!!!
08-05-2020, 04:08 PM
#78
But you're forgetting one minor fact:
I could have flown at any of them, now they're gone and no one can fly at them again.
As for which is more complicated, my boats are much more complicated than your planes, regardless of how complex you think they are. Fly your plane into water and it's destroyed, it's structure is far too weak to handle anything beyond a gentle breeze. Your props are only balanced, mine are balanced, sharpened and polished and, unlike yours, will take a finger off before you can blink while spinning at 28K-35KRPM, more than TRIPLE the speed of your props. My props are pushing over 6KGs to over 100KPH while taking turns at over 4Gs, something that would snap the wings right off your planes. Your plane doesn't have to worry about hydrodynamics, my boats do, as well as aerodynamics. If not properly set up, I can watch a boat go from running a few inches above water to flying several feet above it. My repairs would amount to replacing some nylon screws and it's ready to run again, If your plane isn't set up properly, you take it home in a garbage sack to see how much you can salvage later. Sounds to me like you just can't hold a candle to my boats
I could have flown at any of them, now they're gone and no one can fly at them again.
As for which is more complicated, my boats are much more complicated than your planes, regardless of how complex you think they are. Fly your plane into water and it's destroyed, it's structure is far too weak to handle anything beyond a gentle breeze. Your props are only balanced, mine are balanced, sharpened and polished and, unlike yours, will take a finger off before you can blink while spinning at 28K-35KRPM, more than TRIPLE the speed of your props. My props are pushing over 6KGs to over 100KPH while taking turns at over 4Gs, something that would snap the wings right off your planes. Your plane doesn't have to worry about hydrodynamics, my boats do, as well as aerodynamics. If not properly set up, I can watch a boat go from running a few inches above water to flying several feet above it. My repairs would amount to replacing some nylon screws and it's ready to run again, If your plane isn't set up properly, you take it home in a garbage sack to see how much you can salvage later. Sounds to me like you just can't hold a candle to my boats
I think this would depend on the airplane. Granted a full race Hydro or outrigger is going to be more complicated then a typical sport airplane. Now if we were to compare that same hydro or outrigger to one of my models then the tide ( pun intended, it's ok to laugh once in a while in here ) changes. As Hydro pointed out, water is unforgiving. As someone with years of water skiing when you fall doing 25mph it hurts, you also experience sudden de acceleration. Those boats suffer a huge amount of punishment from the water.
On the other side of the debate I have a couple airplanes that have 1,500 sq in of wetted fuselage area that the bare fuselages weigh 31oz and must withstand 15 G. Each of the 4 aileron servos has their own channel and must be adjusted to perfectly mimic one another in 3 different flight modes. Each elevator has its own servo and again must adjusted correctly. Then we start getting into thrust angles, wing incidence x2, stab incidence, aileron differential, CG ( wing, lateral and vertical ), throttle curve, ESC settings, prop selection. After all this I can start learning and polishing a new set of 19 maneuvers every two years.
08-05-2020, 04:13 PM
#79
I think this would depend on the airplane. Granted a full race Hydro or outrigger is going to be more complicated then a typical sport airplane. Now if we were to compare that same hydro or outrigger to one of my models then the tide ( pun intended, it's ok to laugh once in a while in here ) changes. As Hydro pointed out, water is unforgiving. As someone with years of water skiing when you fall doing 25mph it hurts, you also experience sudden de acceleration. Those boats suffer a huge amount of punishment from the water.
On the other side of the debate I have a couple airplanes that have 1,500 sq in of wetted fuselage area that the bare fuselages weigh 31oz and must withstand 15 G. Each of the 4 aileron servos has their own channel and must be adjusted to perfectly mimic one another in 3 different flight modes. Each elevator has its own servo and again must adjusted correctly. Then we start getting into thrust angles, wing incidence x2, stab incidence, aileron differential, CG ( wing, lateral and vertical ), throttle curve, ESC settings, prop selection. After all this I can start learning and polishing a new set of 19 maneuvers every two years.
On the other side of the debate I have a couple airplanes that have 1,500 sq in of wetted fuselage area that the bare fuselages weigh 31oz and must withstand 15 G. Each of the 4 aileron servos has their own channel and must be adjusted to perfectly mimic one another in 3 different flight modes. Each elevator has its own servo and again must adjusted correctly. Then we start getting into thrust angles, wing incidence x2, stab incidence, aileron differential, CG ( wing, lateral and vertical ), throttle curve, ESC settings, prop selection. After all this I can start learning and polishing a new set of 19 maneuvers every two years.
08-05-2020, 04:23 PM
#81
Ooh, ooh, look at ME! Look at MY airplanes! They are really complicated! I am something special! I should be respected for my knowledge! Here, let me tell you all about my knowledge! I am really good! Pick me, pick me! MY airplanes are special! Did I tell you how much my airplanes cost?
THIS is exactly what I see happen at the club field that turns off new members!
Not to mention, this is the AMA forum, not the, "Look at me, I am really good at toy airplane forum." We don't care!
GET OVER YOURSELF!!!
Astro
THIS is exactly what I see happen at the club field that turns off new members!
Not to mention, this is the AMA forum, not the, "Look at me, I am really good at toy airplane forum." We don't care!
GET OVER YOURSELF!!!
Astro
08-05-2020, 04:28 PM
#82
Ooh, ooh, look at ME! Look at MY airplanes! They are really complicated! I am something special! I should be respected for my knowledge! Here, let me tell you all about my knowledge! I am really good! Pick me, pick me! MY airplanes are special! Did I tell you how much my airplanes cost?
THIS is exactly what I see happen at the club field that turns off new members!
Not to mention, this is the AMA forum, not the, "Look at me, I am really good at toy airplane forum." We don't care!
GET OVER YOURSELF!!!
Astro
THIS is exactly what I see happen at the club field that turns off new members!
Not to mention, this is the AMA forum, not the, "Look at me, I am really good at toy airplane forum." We don't care!
GET OVER YOURSELF!!!
Astro
08-05-2020, 04:30 PM
#83
But he's not a troll. A troll at least has motive. He's just someone that has to have attention, even though he's an irrelevant piece of crap that's trying to act like he's someone. BTW, did you notice that now I'm "dumplin"? Seems kind of stupid of him to refer to me as something he would eat, that is unless he's asking to actually eat something.
08-05-2020, 04:32 PM
#84
I see your point and I agree that he doesn't usually contribute to the topic. That said, as a good guest shouldn't he make an effort to know what is going on with the FAA and AMA prior to coming across the border and flying with his AMA friends? Hasn't Franklin made the claim that he has all the facts and wants to enlighten everyone? Where would be a better place for Dennis to go to get correct information prior to visiting the US?
And , The post I quoted of yours was referring to Dennis , was it not ?????
My post has exactly NOTHING to do with Hydro , and everything to do with you saying that Dennis "doesn't usually contribute to the topic" !
Now , DO NOT twist MY post into anything more than it is , an admonishment of DENNIS that even his allies , like YOU , think that he "doesn't usually contribute to the topic"
My post has exactly NOTHING to do with Hydro , and everything to do with you saying that Dennis "doesn't usually contribute to the topic" !
Now , DO NOT twist MY post into anything more than it is , an admonishment of DENNIS that even his allies , like YOU , think that he "doesn't usually contribute to the topic"
I'll just condense it all into one handy dandy post while I wait for Speed's response ..... 
