AMA Bashing is Pointless
#251
Senior Member
Every insurance company in the US has a website. Post the link.
Last edited by ECHO24; 03-20-2021 at 08:44 AM.
#253
Senior Member
R_Strowe. Information on this so-called affordable policy was not posted for R_Strowe because it does not exist.
#255
Senior Member
Oh, I don't doubt that the ("group/club" bait-and-switch) has an additional insurance policy as you claimed. It's that it's
a general liability policy for the limited partnership that owns the flying field the club leases (which I had to glean through
the double-talk) and neither "affordable" nor applicable to a club or individual.
That's why you didn't provide any further details to R_Strowe. It's useless information and a false and/or misleading claim.
If you disagree, contact the group/club and post the details of the policy.
a general liability policy for the limited partnership that owns the flying field the club leases (which I had to glean through
the double-talk) and neither "affordable" nor applicable to a club or individual.
That's why you didn't provide any further details to R_Strowe. It's useless information and a false and/or misleading claim.
If you disagree, contact the group/club and post the details of the policy.
Last edited by ECHO24; 03-20-2021 at 07:08 PM.
#256
My Feedback: (1)
Oh, I don't doubt that the ("group/club" bait-and-switch) has an additional insurance policy as you claimed. It's that it's
a general liability policy for the limited partnership that owns the flying field the club leases (which I had to glean through
the double-talk) and neither "affordable" nor applicable to a club or individual.
That's why you didn't provide any further details to R_Strowe. It's useless information and a false and/or misleading claim.
If you disagree, contact the group/club and post the details of the policy.
a general liability policy for the limited partnership that owns the flying field the club leases (which I had to glean through
the double-talk) and neither "affordable" nor applicable to a club or individual.
That's why you didn't provide any further details to R_Strowe. It's useless information and a false and/or misleading claim.
If you disagree, contact the group/club and post the details of the policy.
It is exactly how I described it the first time. Nothing more, nothing less.
Astro
#257
Senior Member
They don't have to look far. Despite the numerous model aircraft references in RaceDayQuads' press release propaganda,
their lawsuit is solely about drones and FPV, per this from Johnathan Rupprecht, one of the attorneys:
"On top of that [FAA secret meetings], the final rule largely ignored a particular group of unmanned aircraft flyers –
the first person viewing drone flyers. All of this forced the hand of the FPV community to strike back in defense of their
constitutional rights and freedoms."
That "particular group of unmanned aircraft flyers" was largely ignored because 90% of what they do is illegal. RaceDayQuauds'
legal position is that wearing FPV goggles is LOS if a person can remove the goggles and "see" their drone (without a spotter),
presumably even if it's a spect in the sky a mile away. That would go over well before a judge.
I'm guessing AMA will be jumping in with both feet.
their lawsuit is solely about drones and FPV, per this from Johnathan Rupprecht, one of the attorneys:
"On top of that [FAA secret meetings], the final rule largely ignored a particular group of unmanned aircraft flyers –
the first person viewing drone flyers. All of this forced the hand of the FPV community to strike back in defense of their
constitutional rights and freedoms."
That "particular group of unmanned aircraft flyers" was largely ignored because 90% of what they do is illegal. RaceDayQuauds'
legal position is that wearing FPV goggles is LOS if a person can remove the goggles and "see" their drone (without a spotter),
presumably even if it's a spect in the sky a mile away. That would go over well before a judge.
I'm guessing AMA will be jumping in with both feet.
#260
Thread Starter
My Feedback: (3)
They don't have to look far. Despite the numerous model aircraft references in RaceDayQuads' press release propaganda,
their lawsuit is solely about drones and FPV, per this from Johnathan Rupprecht, one of the attorneys:
"On top of that [FAA secret meetings], the final rule largely ignored a particular group of unmanned aircraft flyers –
the first person viewing drone flyers. All of this forced the hand of the FPV community to strike back in defense of their
constitutional rights and freedoms."
That "particular group of unmanned aircraft flyers" was largely ignored because 90% of what they do is illegal. RaceDayQuauds'
legal position is that wearing FPV goggles is LOS if a person can remove the goggles and "see" their drone (without a spotter),
presumably even if it's a spect in the sky a mile away. That would go over well before a judge.
I'm guessing AMA will be jumping in with both feet.
their lawsuit is solely about drones and FPV, per this from Johnathan Rupprecht, one of the attorneys:
"On top of that [FAA secret meetings], the final rule largely ignored a particular group of unmanned aircraft flyers –
the first person viewing drone flyers. All of this forced the hand of the FPV community to strike back in defense of their
constitutional rights and freedoms."
That "particular group of unmanned aircraft flyers" was largely ignored because 90% of what they do is illegal. RaceDayQuauds'
legal position is that wearing FPV goggles is LOS if a person can remove the goggles and "see" their drone (without a spotter),
presumably even if it's a spect in the sky a mile away. That would go over well before a judge.
I'm guessing AMA will be jumping in with both feet.
To be clear, I hope that they do have some sort of case here that will help keep any overly aggressive regulation in check, but as of yet, I haven't seen any details that would give me confidence that they have a legitimate case.
#261
Senior Member
Here's how how far removed it is from model aircraft and the AMA. In an an interview posted Friday on dronelife, Tyler Brennan, owner of RaceDayQuads who initiated the lawsuit, refers to the AMA as "American Model Aircraft (fields)":
Dawn: Tyler, why would a FRIA hamstring the FPV community?
Tyler: "Most FRIAs are going to be American Model Aircraft (AMA fields) essentially. FPV and AMA fields do not go hand-in-hand."
The stated objective of the lawsuit is no Remote ID or any further regulations on drones at all.
Dawn: Tyler, why would a FRIA hamstring the FPV community?
Tyler: "Most FRIAs are going to be American Model Aircraft (AMA fields) essentially. FPV and AMA fields do not go hand-in-hand."
The stated objective of the lawsuit is no Remote ID or any further regulations on drones at all.
#262
Thread Starter
My Feedback: (3)
That's a nice objective ... but without some sort of legitimate claim as to how the current regs violate their constitutional rights or conflicts with some other existing law, it will go absolutely nowhere. I might as well file lawsuit saying I don't want to be screened by TSA before boarding a flight.
#263
My Feedback: (11)
I'm too busy to go back through the entire thread but thank you to whomever pointed out that BLOS video on the AMA flight school site, I reviewed it and confirmed that its content isn't inline with our position on flying BLOS and asked that it be removed ASAP.
I'm not going to tell individual contributors what they can and can't post on their personal accounts, but if you know of any more AMA branded content that portrays content that is contrary to our values please let me know and I will review it.
FWIW that video was uploaded in 2014 when the landscape wasn't quite as clear as it's spelled out now.
I'm not going to tell individual contributors what they can and can't post on their personal accounts, but if you know of any more AMA branded content that portrays content that is contrary to our values please let me know and I will review it.
FWIW that video was uploaded in 2014 when the landscape wasn't quite as clear as it's spelled out now.
#264
Banned
Here's how how far removed it is from model aircraft and the AMA. In an an interview posted Friday on dronelife, Tyler Brennan, owner of RaceDayQuads who initiated the lawsuit, refers to the AMA as "American Model Aircraft (fields)":
Dawn: Tyler, why would a FRIA hamstring the FPV community?
Tyler: "Most FRIAs are going to be American Model Aircraft (AMA fields) essentially. FPV and AMA fields do not go hand-in-hand."
The stated objective of the lawsuit is no Remote ID or any further regulations on drones at all.
Dawn: Tyler, why would a FRIA hamstring the FPV community?
Tyler: "Most FRIAs are going to be American Model Aircraft (AMA fields) essentially. FPV and AMA fields do not go hand-in-hand."
The stated objective of the lawsuit is no Remote ID or any further regulations on drones at all.
I would also like someone to point out to me the part of the Constitution that promises Drone or even traditional RC flight? I've looked and can not find it. I even looked in the Federalists papers and it's not there either.
The stupidity of some of these people never ceases to amaze me.
#265
Senior Member
I'm too busy to go back through the entire thread but thank you to whomever pointed out that BLOS video on the AMA flight school site, I reviewed it and confirmed that its content isn't inline with our position on flying BLOS and asked that it be removed ASAP.
I'm not going to tell individual contributors what they can and can't post on their personal accounts, but if you know of any more AMA branded content that portrays content that is contrary to our values please let me know and I will review it.
FWIW that video was uploaded in 2014 when the landscape wasn't quite as clear as it's spelled out now.
I'm not going to tell individual contributors what they can and can't post on their personal accounts, but if you know of any more AMA branded content that portrays content that is contrary to our values please let me know and I will review it.
FWIW that video was uploaded in 2014 when the landscape wasn't quite as clear as it's spelled out now.
2014 video is the only link on the FPV Beginners Getting Started page and was obviously updated since then as noted in the caption.
There are other FPV links on AMA Flight School. I didn't look through them all but suffice to say all of this equipment is BVLOS by design.
Note: Long-range FPV was just as illegal in 2014. AMA sued the FAA over it then dropped it, as you recall.
Last edited by ECHO24; 03-22-2021 at 07:05 AM.
#266
Banned
That's a nice objective ... but without some sort of legitimate claim as to how the current regs violate their constitutional rights or conflicts with some other existing law, it will go absolutely nowhere. I might as well file lawsuit saying I don't want to be screened by TSA before boarding a flight.
People today are too wrapped up in this idea of being entitled to this, that and all the other things. They're all what's in it for me! And about what the government can and will do for them when not leaving them alone. Factual knowledge of the Constitution and what it provides is quickly fading from the American psychic. And I for one blame all the bleeding hearts as well as the teachers unions and lastly our teachers for this trend.
#267
Thread Starter
My Feedback: (3)
I am mostly in a alignment with you on this (my last comment was intended as sarcasm) ... of course, I would like to go back to the days of little to no regulation for our hobby, but the genie is already out of the bottle
_IF_ there is some legitimate claim that can help keep regulatory overreach in check here, I would gladly support it. However, I certainly do not know what might be (hence my question about what is the actual basis of their lawsuit). One thing we have learned is that if the sole basis is some sort of technicality, it is likely that any short term win will likely end up with even tighter regulation downstream.
This only makes sense if there is a solid basis for a claim of overregulation that violates some specific rights, but I have no clue what that claim might actually be. I'll keep an open mind, but I am not optimistic.
_IF_ there is some legitimate claim that can help keep regulatory overreach in check here, I would gladly support it. However, I certainly do not know what might be (hence my question about what is the actual basis of their lawsuit). One thing we have learned is that if the sole basis is some sort of technicality, it is likely that any short term win will likely end up with even tighter regulation downstream.
This only makes sense if there is a solid basis for a claim of overregulation that violates some specific rights, but I have no clue what that claim might actually be. I'll keep an open mind, but I am not optimistic.
#268
Senior Member
That's a nice objective ... but without some sort of legitimate claim as to how the current regs violate their constitutional rights or conflicts with some other existing law, it will go absolutely nowhere. I might as well file lawsuit saying I don't want to be screened by TSA before boarding a flight.
Anything not in their court filings can be disregarded.
Last edited by ECHO24; 03-22-2021 at 08:40 AM.
#269
Banned
I am mostly in a alignment with you on this (my last comment was intended as sarcasm) ... of course, I would like to go back to the days of little to no regulation for our hobby, but the genie is already out of the bottle
_IF_ there is some legitimate claim that can help keep regulatory overreach in check here, I would gladly support it. However, I certainly do not know what might be (hence my question about what is the actual basis of their lawsuit). One thing we have learned is that if the sole basis is some sort of technicality, it is likely that any short term win will likely end up with even tighter regulation downstream.
This only makes sense if there is a solid basis for a claim of overregulation that violates some specific rights, but I have no clue what that claim might actually be. I'll keep an open mind, but I am not optimistic.
_IF_ there is some legitimate claim that can help keep regulatory overreach in check here, I would gladly support it. However, I certainly do not know what might be (hence my question about what is the actual basis of their lawsuit). One thing we have learned is that if the sole basis is some sort of technicality, it is likely that any short term win will likely end up with even tighter regulation downstream.
This only makes sense if there is a solid basis for a claim of overregulation that violates some specific rights, but I have no clue what that claim might actually be. I'll keep an open mind, but I am not optimistic.
I do find the formal connection between the EAA and AMA to be commendable. But from where I sit I have seen more effort coming from the EAA which supports the hobby than I have seen from the AMA. The AMA seems capable only of trying to force membership and criminalizing anyone who dares not join.
However the majority of GA pilots and their families have no experience with sUAS of any type. And regardless what all those reported near misses really were, these people are convinced they were some RC aircraft with an idiot on the ground making it intentionally do what it did. i.e. come to close to a manned aircraft. And this, understandably pisses them off.
Secondly I don't see a lot of shall we say "legitimate" RC modelers doing a whole lot to help stop these in flight intrusions. They seem to have taken the position of waiting for someone else to find the guy and report him. They're not doing the hobby any favors by sitting back. But we have become a country of letting the other guy do it.
#270
Thread Starter
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Secondly I don't see a lot of shall we say "legitimate" RC modelers doing a whole lot to help stop these in flight intrusions. They seem to have taken the position of waiting for someone else to find the guy and report him. They're not doing the hobby any favors by sitting back. But we have become a country of letting the other guy do it.
#271
Arguments about safety will get us nowhere because there are too many documented cases where people have done something they shouldn't have and there is almost no way to track them down (unless they were stupid enough to post it to YouTube under their own account ... and there have been plenty of people stupid enough to do that too!).
- flying in close proximity to FAA approved and documented helipads, some at medical and trauma centers
- flying over people
- recording people without consent and privacy violations
#272
I learned early in life, that if you deal with those who abuse a system, you nip things in the bud and don't have to take any further measures. It is odd how that in society these days, we are no longer ruled by common sense. We live in an Alfred E. Neuman society, unfortunately. 'nuff said.
#273
I'm too busy to go back through the entire thread but thank you to whomever pointed out that BLOS video on the AMA flight school site, I reviewed it and confirmed that its content isn't inline with our position on flying BLOS and asked that it be removed ASAP.
I'm not going to tell individual contributors what they can and can't post on their personal accounts, but if you know of any more AMA branded content that portrays content that is contrary to our values please let me know and I will review it.
FWIW that video was uploaded in 2014 when the landscape wasn't quite as clear as it's spelled out now.
I'm not going to tell individual contributors what they can and can't post on their personal accounts, but if you know of any more AMA branded content that portrays content that is contrary to our values please let me know and I will review it.
FWIW that video was uploaded in 2014 when the landscape wasn't quite as clear as it's spelled out now.
Once again, AMA paying people to do jobs that clearly aren't being done. Yet still being paid.
#274
Banned
The problem is that with drones operated BVLOS, it can be pretty hard to find the "guy". In my opinion, that is a big part of why we are in this mess to begin with. RID is not about safety, it's about accountability and giving law enforcement some sort of tools to help find the "guy". Arguments about safety will get us nowhere because there are too many documented cases where people have done something they shouldn't have and there is almost no way to track them down (unless they were stupid enough to post it to YouTube under their own account ... and there have been plenty of people stupid enough to do that too!).
Because someone has heard it but dismissed it. Don't want to get involved, it's not their job, no time, etc. Everyone has an excuse. But they'll expect the world to beat a path to their door with the evidence when they're the victim. And of course these types will then piss and moan over the taxes they pay to support the Police. I have no sympathies for whatever befalls them.
#275
Senior Member
That's good that you did that, but aren't we paying a staff to pay attention to what goes on the site? Aren't they doing period reviews of content? I mean if nobody else, the ED sure is paid for that kind of thing.
Once again, AMA paying people to do jobs that clearly aren't being done. Yet still being paid.
Once again, AMA paying people to do jobs that clearly aren't being done. Yet still being paid.
are comments through March 2017.
The first comment questions the need to include information on long-range frequencies. The author of the
article responds and laughs it off, saying he has a friend who flies 433 MHz FPV in his back yard.
This sums up AMA's position on illegal FPV.
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I just looked and the article is still up. Start here, "How do I":
http://www.amaflightschool.org/video...-your-system-0
Last edited by ECHO24; 03-23-2021 at 07:12 AM.