Yet again, >30 days and no EC minutes yet
#1
Thread Starter
Yet again, >30 days and no EC minutes yet
Despite a staff that's roughly the same size as it was with a lot more members, the AMA's Executive Director STILL cannot manage to get minutes for EC meeting published in 30 days. Not only did the agenda NOT identify the votes that would be taken (as evidenced by the motions / votes published later), members were not permitted to know in advance what would be voted upon. The AMA does not want members inputs, if they did, they'd let us know what's going to be voted on before they vote.
#3
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- Don't give members ANY details of what WILL be voted on
- Don't give members any details of what WILL be voted on ... even when they ask
- Vote on them sight unseen by the members
- And then not even promptly share details of what WAS voted on
Sounds like the gold standard of governance - spending millions in member dollars w/ near zero accountability until AFTER votes are already cast!
#7
Maybe I missed it, but there was no time limit listed for the publication of EC Minutes in the AMA Bylaws, and I can't seem to find a time requirement in any IRS non-profit formation document for said publication. But if there is, I'd be happy to read through the requirements.
R_Strowe
R_Strowe
#10
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That being said you clowns have done absolutely nothing to attempt to solve/rectify the problems facing the AMA. Loose pieces of flesh flapping on the front of your face means nothing and even less if your not even a member of said organization.
Received a PM re Franklins latest topic (this one just so I don't have to explain it slowly to ya!!!)
There He Goes Again.....You know, I was going to respond to Franklin, but then thought WHY? That would make me insane as well.
He just needs to stop, but I don't believe he can. Too bad, there are actual thing that might be worth discussing but, he'll twist the thread again. Back to RCGroups I go.
To which I replied:
If you search all his threads it seems like he feels the AMA owes service personal some sort of dept of gratitude for their service and when he posed that to them they turned him down. I believe he wanted a membership discount and wanted the AMA to fund flying clubs on bases for active military personnel. Also turned down so he got his knickers in a bunch and threatened to take it out on the AMA when ever he had a chance. I think RCU is the only forum he has not been banned from. Can you say slow learner.
And the response:
That's exactly the issue. When he was a base commander he wanted AMA to fund the creation of a flying site, on the base he was commander of. They turned him down because just like taxes, the use of AMA dues for a facility inaccessible by the majority of AMA members was not going to happen (the whole equal representation thing). He's felt slighted ever since, and it explains his hatred of Muncie (an incredible, world class facility. Get there if you haven't been yet, it's really something).
Also keep in mind that he is a relative newcomer to the hobby (explains his dislike of "5-digit AMA elites"), and I believe suffers from a real inferiority complex. (He is not the tallest guy in the world, I've met and know him). It explains much.
Like I said in the previous post Why do you guys keep doing/saying the same thing over and over expecting a different result. Your now down to a couple of Franklin wanabees, one non member and one or two non supporters of your silly attempts to embarrass the AMA. By the way how's that working for ya LOL!!!! No I didn't include the posters name figured to leave the hyenas running in circles.
Last edited by Propworn; 05-29-2021 at 08:44 AM.
#12
Thread Starter
(Quoting PM sent to him):
There He Goes Again.....You know, I was going to respond to Franklin, but then thought WHY? That would make me insane as well.
He just needs to stop, but I don't believe he can. Too bad, there are actual thing that might be worth discussing but, he'll twist the thread again. Back to RCGroups I go.
There He Goes Again.....You know, I was going to respond to Franklin, but then thought WHY? That would make me insane as well.
He just needs to stop, but I don't believe he can. Too bad, there are actual thing that might be worth discussing but, he'll twist the thread again. Back to RCGroups I go.
To which I replied:
If you search all his threads it seems like he feels the AMA owes service personal some sort of dept of gratitude for their service and when he posed that to them they turned him down. I believe he wanted a membership discount and wanted the AMA to fund flying clubs on bases for active military personnel. Also turned down so he got his knickers in a bunch and threatened to take it out on the AMA when ever he had a chance. I think RCU is the only forum he has not been banned from. Can you say slow learner.
If you search all his threads it seems like he feels the AMA owes service personal some sort of dept of gratitude for their service and when he posed that to them they turned him down. I believe he wanted a membership discount and wanted the AMA to fund flying clubs on bases for active military personnel. Also turned down so he got his knickers in a bunch and threatened to take it out on the AMA when ever he had a chance. I think RCU is the only forum he has not been banned from. Can you say slow learner.
(Quoting PM sent to him in response to above)
That's exactly the issue. When he was a base commander he wanted AMA to fund the creation of a flying site, on the base he was commander of. They turned him down because just like taxes, the use of AMA dues for a facility inaccessible by the majority of AMA members was not going to happen (the whole equal representation thing). He's felt slighted ever since, and it explains his hatred of Muncie (an incredible, world class facility. Get there if you haven't been yet, it's really something).
That's exactly the issue. When he was a base commander he wanted AMA to fund the creation of a flying site, on the base he was commander of. They turned him down because just like taxes, the use of AMA dues for a facility inaccessible by the majority of AMA members was not going to happen (the whole equal representation thing). He's felt slighted ever since, and it explains his hatred of Muncie (an incredible, world class facility. Get there if you haven't been yet, it's really something).
Additionally, it's ironic that in 2016 or so AMA started a big push to establish clubs on military bases... through the MWR programs. Maybe not exactly the same as my effort to duplicate what they'd already allowed for other clubs, but pretty darned close. But that's gone nowhere because MWRs typically require discounts from groups that want to be part of their program. My understanding is AMA wouldn't discount membership. Which is why it's largely gone nowhere.
(Quoting PM sent to him in response to above)
Also keep in mind that he is a relative newcomer to the hobby (explains his dislike of "5-digit AMA elites"), and I believe suffers from a real inferiority complex. (He is not the tallest guy in the world, I've met and know him). It explains much (emphasis added).
Also keep in mind that he is a relative newcomer to the hobby (explains his dislike of "5-digit AMA elites"), and I believe suffers from a real inferiority complex. (He is not the tallest guy in the world, I've met and know him). It explains much (emphasis added).
It speaks volumes about this person's character when they disparage someone's immutable characteristics (height) in private messages - as we see quoted above by Propworm. It's not a stretch to think that someone who privately disparages others over immutable characteristics like height is exactly the same type of character that disparages others over other immutable characteristics ... things like skin color, ethnicity, sex, hair color, disabilities, etc.
Last edited by franklin_m; 05-29-2021 at 12:45 PM.
#14
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No matter how you try to spin it, I'm no more in control of my height than I am of my race - both immutable characteristics. But it appears you're perfectly ok disparaging people over characteristics over which they have no control.
Last edited by franklin_m; 05-29-2021 at 12:45 PM.
#15
My Feedback: (3)
Little man syndrome is about your persona plain and simple, being a Kevin is just the personality you project. I guess as the other posters stated you can't help yourself. Probably why the powers to be at the AMA have no interest in you or your opinions. Enough for now keep on carrying on its entertaining and provides some chuckles via PM's.
Dennis
Dennis
#16
Has anyone ever noticed how the troll who goes by the "handle" propworm" is never seen in any other subforum? He might have a few posts in a boating forum but, beyond that, he's strictly an AMA forum troll. And, just think, now Franklin and I are "Kevins" (I think he's trying to use that like the term Karen, not really sure since I don't speak Canadianese) and we all have "loose pieces of flapping flesh", which I can only assume he's referring to our mouths though he seems to forget that he's got a mouth too. I think it's time he leaves and stays in Canada since he doesn't belong in the US
#17
My Feedback: (3)
Has anyone ever noticed how the troll who goes by the "handle" propworm" is never seen in any other subforum? He might have a few posts in a boating forum but, beyond that, he's strictly an AMA forum troll. And, just think, now Franklin and I are "Kevins" (I think he's trying to use that like the term Karen, not really sure since I don't speak Canadianese) and we all have "loose pieces of flapping flesh", which I can only assume he's referring to our mouths though he seems to forget that he's got a mouth too. I think it's time he leaves and stays in Canada since he doesn't belong in the US
OHHHH enough funning with ya Junky ya bore me. LOL
Last edited by Propworn; 05-29-2021 at 05:42 PM.
#18
Hate to say it but I can count to more than 20.5. I also can read electronic test equipment and can convert Micros to megs in my head. Then again, being an avionic tech on Prowlers will make that an easy one for anyone with more than half a brain, won't it?
#24
Despite a staff that's roughly the same size as it was with a lot more members, the AMA's Executive Director STILL cannot manage to get minutes for EC meeting published in 30 days. Not only did the agenda NOT identify the votes that would be taken (as evidenced by the motions / votes published later), members were not permitted to know in advance what would be voted upon. The AMA does not want members inputs, if they did, they'd let us know what's going to be voted on before they vote.
#25
Thread Starter
I saw that. Manpower is AMA's second largest expense. Headcount has remained consistent for ten years or longer, while membership has dropped considerably. So we have the same number of people supporting few members -- and yet they STILL cannot get minutes published consistently in 30 days or less.