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Old 02-04-2022, 07:35 AM
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It didn't take a genius to see how short-sighted.it was for AMA to embrace drones. They are basically surveillance tools, and the model
aircraft hobby has since been swallowed up by drone regulations. Look for it to get worse. DJI (synonymous with drones) has been
lying for years about its relationship with the Chinese government and back-doors in their drones they provided to the Chinese military
(DJI's Geofencing is based on a system they designed for the Chinese Air Force 2 years earlier). More bad news, and maybe why
Brendan Schulman got out when he did, DJI has also been receiving funding from CCP-backed investors:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/natio...us-regulators/

Here's a good DJI tag-line for AMA's next drone event promotion:

"“DJI adheres to the guidance of Xi Jinping thought on socialism with Chinese characteristics for a new era,”
Old 02-04-2022, 07:51 AM
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Several years ago all US government vendors and employs were notified to cease use of DJII products. During upgrades the flight logs of the drones were being downloaded into DJII servers and then the files were being forwarded to the Chinese government.
Old 02-04-2022, 08:43 AM
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Drones are nothing but bad news for the hobby. Another new law, "Drone Act of 2022":
drone_act_of_2022.pdf
Old 02-04-2022, 09:39 AM
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Originally Posted by ECHO24 View Post
Drones are nothing but bad news for the hobby. Another new law, "Drone Act of 2022":
Attachment 2271393
First of all there is no distinction between any unmanned heavier than air aircraft. No longer refered to as drones but all come under the term UAS

Old 02-04-2022, 11:28 AM
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Nothing surprising about DJI as most "Drone" manufacturers (consumer and professional) are in china with CCCP blessings that require feedback to the government.

Also the PDF illustrates the begining litany of additional rules changes in the future. The coming requirement of a transponder device in RC models will, at some point, be able to feed back more data to sources other than the FCC/FAA.

A lot of organizations and political operatives have long sold out the USA for the cash infusions the Chinese dole out.
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First of all there is no distinction between any unmanned heavier than air aircraft. No longer refered to as drones but all come under the term UAS
That's the whole point Sherlock.
Old 02-04-2022, 01:04 PM
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Since our hobby no longer has a term in regulations, you can substitute "model aircraft" wherever you see the term "drone" in the law.
If you had bothered to read the text:

(2) drone technology also presents a potential danger to public safety and national security;

(3) drone technology is increasingly being used by drug trafficking and human trafficking organizations at the southern border—
(A) to assist in smuggling into the United States high-value items;
(B) for conducting reconnaissance; and
(C) even as offensive weapons against competing criminal organizations;

(4) drone technology has been used to deliver into Federal correctional centers contraband such as cell phones,
wire cutters, screwdrivers, and hacksaws;

(5) there were 875 drone sightings in restricted airport airspace in 2020,
and 766 such sightings in the first half of 2021, including 36 such sightings in18 the vicinities of runways; and

(6) while existing Federal law includes some criminal provisions relating to misuse of drones, those provisions
are fragmentary in nature and therefore fail to restrain and deter the most serious drone-related crimes.

Old 02-04-2022, 04:44 PM
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Originally Posted by ECHO24 View Post
That's the whole point Sherlock.
Since we're calling names read the top of the unsigned page Henny Penny "To prevent the misuse of drones, and for other purposes" Me thinks if you stay within the laws and recomendations of the AMA you will be under the radar. Nothing like a good conspiracy theorist is there?


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Old 02-05-2022, 08:02 AM
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Why apply that Readers Digest knowledge bank of yours to something that concerns you.
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Originally Posted by ECHO24 View Post
Why apply that Readers Digest knowledge bank of yours to something that concerns you.
This is the best retort you can do on your own? Without Franklin you guys are pretty much without much original thought. We all await when the minions rise again (possibly a new boss?)
Old 02-05-2022, 01:16 PM
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Here we go, the pot calling the kettle black again. How about you drop the "minions" comment since it is, after all, is at least two years old. Or are you saying you can't think of anything new which is, ironically, the very thing you just accused ECHO of in this thread and me in another a day or two ago in a different part of the forum
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But the Minions still suit you guys so well.
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Originally Posted by Propworn View Post
But the Minions still suit you guys so well.
This guy contributes nothing.
Old 02-05-2022, 05:28 PM
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I've only seen three or four of his posts that actually were worth anything. Then I sent him a PM thanking him for one and it was like he just ignored it. After that, it was "business as usual for him and his companion, running down my posts just to run them down and try to make me look bad and themselves good. Guess I should have known better than think being nice wasn't a waste of time
Old 02-05-2022, 06:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Hydro Junkie View Post
I've only seen three or four of his posts that actually were worth anything. Then I sent him a PM thanking him for one and it was like he just ignored it. After that, it was "business as usual for him and his companion, running down my posts just to run them down and try to make me look bad and themselves good. Guess I should have known better than think being nice wasn't a waste of time

Well, since you felt the need to drag me into this. Let’s get this clear once and for all. I am not running you down. If anyone is making you look bad it’s you. Let’s take the last example. Someone mistakenly posted a R/C CAR question in the airplane kit forum. Without taking two minutes to verify what he was asking ( google the brand name Losi he mentioned ) you advised him that he could pug in a separate battery for the RX. No mention of pulling the red wire from his ESC. Guess what running power from the ESC and a separate battery will FRY his RX. I came in an suggested that he ask his question in the car forums and added that after I looked up his equipment he should be fine. If you recall I have 15 years hobby shop experience so versed on multiple products. Then you came in and fired back at me some nonsense and not sending him to the boat section. Obviously still not aware he was dealing with a CAR.

How about the thread where you discouraged a guy from wanting to build a Balsa USA Fokker? You suggested ( shockingly ) a Sig Kadet Sr. Not knowing anything about this guy you up and decided all on your own that he wasn’t capable of building an updated laser cut kit and instead suggested a kit that hasn’t been changed in 30 years.

One of my favorites, a guy builds a beautiful BUSA Europe and you criticize his markings.

Of course there is the one where you and Retiredat38 ( previously banned Appowner ) told a guy that a retract servo would be fine on a boat rudder. Neither of the two of you bothering to look up the specs of the servo, otherwise you would have discovered that retract servos are not proportional.

Like I already told you, if anyone is making you look the fool it’s YOU. So you go right ahead and send me another PM telling me to either stop or you’re going to stop me. I’m not afraid of 50+ year old crybabies.



For those who would like a good laugh at the Water Boy’s last foot in mouth episode.

Do I need a BEC

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Old 02-05-2022, 11:53 PM
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TWIST TWIST AND MORE TWIST
I asked a question about the markings on the builder's Ercoupe, after complementing his plane. He gave an answer, never complained about my asking. Only one that got their shorts twisted was you.
So, you're telling me that telling someone with an R/C, asking if he needs a separate BEC, was given wrong info when told not normally when the ESC has one integrated in the circuit? Telling someone that they could add a separate receiver pack as a failsafe is wrong as well, when I see those very set ups used successfully as well? I guess it really only matters WHO gives an answer in the forums since your response was to go find someone with "experience" with the set up WHEN YOU DON'T USE THAT SET UP EITHER. And then, ironically, you verified that he didn't need one AFTER slamming me!!!!
Shall we talk about the third one? Someone asked if a large scale Balsa USA Fokker D-VII would be a good first build when they have no building experience, other than assembling a few ARFs and ARCs, and I recommended a Kadet Sr or Hog Bipe first, just to get the hang of building from sticks.
You jumped down my throat on that one too, after the OP stated he's flown many types of planes, up to and including some ARF EDFs. Seems to me that my statement held as much merit as anyone's but no, my recommendation wasn't good enough because it wasn't what you thought.
We can't forget about the reference to Sheldon Cooper now, can we? I ask someone if he knows what version of a Wildcat a model is and comment that it wasn't a light aircraft in full size, and you referred to that as a Sheldon Cooper trivia post. And then you say all of this was "damage control"? Sounds more like someone that needs to be "relevant" or "all knowing" to me. After all of this, you tell me, in a pm, that I need to "GROW UP AN BE A MAN"!!!! What makes you a judge on who's a grown man or a child still clinging to their mother's apron strings? Does spending 6.5 years in the military count? How about being shot at with an AK-47 by an anti-government rebel with the intent of killing me because I was in uniform? Does that count for anything either? Maybe looking down the barrel of a 5" gun on a Russian cruiser 1/4 mile away might mean something to you, especially when that gun was ready to fire. Does that make me a man yet? Oh, that's right, you never served anywhere, beyond your own interests. Does that make you a man?
So, are you going to go and tell everyone that I've posted in their threads in the boating forums that I don't know anything about boats too? Seems like that would be your next move since everyplace else you see me post something, you have to try to prove me wrong.

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Old 02-06-2022, 06:12 AM
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By all means show me where I jumped down your throat. I offered a different opinion and offered reasons why. You were told to grow up because your behaving like a sensitive child.



First kit build, Balsa USA?

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