AMA getting above 400 AGL - Not so successful
06-30-2022, 09:06 AM
#376
Originally Posted by ECHO24
It literally says local law enforcement are often in the best position to enforce FAA UAS regs, the reason being that
their field agents are often not able to immediately travel to the location.
I'll leave you to play your mental sandbox. This is a waste of time.
their field agents are often not able to immediately travel to the location.
I'll leave you to play your mental sandbox. This is a waste of time.
I guess you don’t like my questions and can’t substantiate your statements, therefore you don’t answer them?
Typical.
You’re like the pot calling the kettle black. LOL
Astro
06-30-2022, 11:29 AM
#382
Originally Posted by astrohog
I guess it’s just easier to deflect by watching music videos than acquiesce to reality…..
Astro
Astro
That was the attempted humor behind "Yakety Yak", you can both talk till you're blue in the face(or have keyboard calloused fingertips
) and neither side is ever gonna capitulate.PS, I hope you both know (Astro & Echo) this ain't a dig at either side, just my view of the stalemate as presented......
06-30-2022, 11:48 AM
#386
Originally Posted by init4fun
I gave ya the point way back on post #322, , , , and now I'm left wondering if to "agree to disagree" may be the best course of action between all of the holders of the two different viewpoints here. It's become "punch in the face" obvious that neither you nor Echo are gonna change each other's minds on this, why aggravate yourselves further with an effort that has become the textbook definition of futile ?
That was the attempted humor behind "Yakety Yak", you can both talk till you're blue in the face(or have keyboard calloused fingertips) and neither side is ever gonna capitulate.
PS, I hope you both know (Astro & Echo) this ain't a dig at either side, just my view of the stalemate as presented......
That was the attempted humor behind "Yakety Yak", you can both talk till you're blue in the face(or have keyboard calloused fingertips
) and neither side is ever gonna capitulate.PS, I hope you both know (Astro & Echo) this ain't a dig at either side, just my view of the stalemate as presented......
It’s clear that the other chuckleheads are desperately clinging to their stance in order to protect their fragile egos and use the memes as a way to deflect and bully me.
I wish I could agree to disagree, but, in this case, there is simply no reason to, as I posted the definitive answer directly from the FAA website.
Astro
06-30-2022, 12:06 PM
#389
Senior Member
Originally Posted by init4fun
I gave ya the point way back on post #322, , , , and now I'm left wondering if to "agree to disagree" may be the best course of action between all of the holders of the two different viewpoints here. It's become "punch in the face" obvious that neither you nor Echo are gonna change each other's minds on this, why aggravate yourselves further with an effort that has become the textbook definition of futile ?
That was the attempted humor behind "Yakety Yak", you can both talk till you're blue in the face(or have keyboard calloused fingertips) and neither side is ever gonna capitulate.
PS, I hope you both know (Astro & Echo) this ain't a dig at either side, just my view of the stalemate as presented......
That was the attempted humor behind "Yakety Yak", you can both talk till you're blue in the face(or have keyboard calloused fingertips
) and neither side is ever gonna capitulate.PS, I hope you both know (Astro & Echo) this ain't a dig at either side, just my view of the stalemate as presented......
FAA's authority, is preceded by "Although". Although the FAA retains authority, their field agents often cannot travel immediately to the location
and "the FAA is also known to delegate responsibilities to other parties" . i.e., local law enforcement agencies mentioned, in their place.
After imagining a different scenario it might take a couple of times reading it but that's what it says. And that's how it works in the real world.
The FAA is saying local law enforcement only has that authority because the FAA is granting it.
06-30-2022, 12:13 PM
#390
Senior Member
The further it goes the further the actual statement gets lost in the chaff:
"State and local Law Enforcement Agencies (LEA) are often in the best position to deter, detect, immediately investigate, and, as appropriate, pursue enforcement actions to stop unauthorized UAS operations. Although the FAA retains the responsibility for enforcing FAAs regulations, FAA aviation safety inspectors, who are the agency’s principal field elements responsible for following up on these unauthorized and/or unsafe activities, will often be unable to immediately travel to the location of an incident."
Historically, the FAA is also known to delegate responsibilities to other parties, such as ‘self-certification’ (Boeing, Lockheed, Piper, Raytheon/Beechcraft, etc).
"State and local Law Enforcement Agencies (LEA) are often in the best position to deter, detect, immediately investigate, and, as appropriate, pursue enforcement actions to stop unauthorized UAS operations. Although the FAA retains the responsibility for enforcing FAAs regulations, FAA aviation safety inspectors, who are the agency’s principal field elements responsible for following up on these unauthorized and/or unsafe activities, will often be unable to immediately travel to the location of an incident."
Historically, the FAA is also known to delegate responsibilities to other parties, such as ‘self-certification’ (Boeing, Lockheed, Piper, Raytheon/Beechcraft, etc).
06-30-2022, 12:18 PM
#391
Originally Posted by ECHO24
At some point there is a thing called plain English. There is no room to reinterpret that statement. The point astro keeps banging about on the
FAA's authority, is preceded by "Although". Although the FAA retains authority, their field agents often cannot travel immediately to the location
and "the FAA is also known to delegate responsibilities to other parties" . i.e., local law enforcement agencies mentioned, in their place.
After imagining a different scenario it might take a couple of times reading it but that's what it says. And that's how it works in the real world.
The FAA is saying local law enforcement only has that authority because the FAA is granting it.
FAA's authority, is preceded by "Although". Although the FAA retains authority, their field agents often cannot travel immediately to the location
and "the FAA is also known to delegate responsibilities to other parties" . i.e., local law enforcement agencies mentioned, in their place.
After imagining a different scenario it might take a couple of times reading it but that's what it says. And that's how it works in the real world.
The FAA is saying local law enforcement only has that authority because the FAA is granting it.
Originally Posted by ECHO24
The further it goes the further the actual statement gets lost in the chaff:
"State and local Law Enforcement Agencies (LEA) are often in the best position to deter, detect, immediately investigate, and, as appropriate, pursue enforcement actions to stop unauthorized UAS operations. Although the FAA retains the responsibility for enforcing FAAs regulations, FAA aviation safety inspectors, who are the agency’s principal field elements responsible for following up on these unauthorized and/or unsafe activities, will often be unable to immediately travel to the location of an incident."
Historically, the FAA is also known to delegate responsibilities to other parties, such as ‘self-certification’ (Boeing, Lockheed, Piper, Raytheon/Beechcraft, etc).
"State and local Law Enforcement Agencies (LEA) are often in the best position to deter, detect, immediately investigate, and, as appropriate, pursue enforcement actions to stop unauthorized UAS operations. Although the FAA retains the responsibility for enforcing FAAs regulations, FAA aviation safety inspectors, who are the agency’s principal field elements responsible for following up on these unauthorized and/or unsafe activities, will often be unable to immediately travel to the location of an incident."
Historically, the FAA is also known to delegate responsibilities to other parties, such as ‘self-certification’ (Boeing, Lockheed, Piper, Raytheon/Beechcraft, etc).
Last edited by init4fun; 06-30-2022 at 12:20 PM. Reason: Damned typos
06-30-2022, 12:28 PM
#394
Senior Member
Originally Posted by init4fun
You & Astro both make very convincing arguments regarding your viewpoints, and that's why I thought the ol "agree to disagree" thing may work here for ya. I'll tell ya what, we're ALL Goddamned lucky these aren't still the days when RC Ken used to moderate this forum with a whip and a chair like the internet version of a Lion tamer, he's have bounced the whole lot of us out on our sorry arses long ago
06-30-2022, 12:36 PM
#395
Senior Member
Originally Posted by init4fun
You & Astro both make very convincing arguments regarding your viewpoints, and that's why I thought the ol "agree to disagree" thing may work here for ya. I'll tell ya what, we're ALL Goddamned lucky these aren't still the days when RC Ken used to moderate this forum with a whip and a chair like the internet version of a Lion tamer, he's have bounced the whole lot of us out on our sorry arses long ago
06-30-2022, 01:06 PM
#396
Originally Posted by ECHO24
Maybe I should back up. You say astro makes a convincing argument. What exactly is that argument?
Although in certain instances the FAA may choose to delegate the leg work to the local police ( Tha Po Po , if we go and bring Rap into it
) , the choice is the FAA's and the FAA's alone as to whether they enlist that help or not. The locals can't just up and decide to enforce FAA regs on their own whim, thereby establishing the FAA's monopoly on the choice of who does what.So there ya go, my best take on this poor beaten to death Horse's rotting corpse, ya'll have a good evening now, it's 5PM here and dinner awaits
06-30-2022, 01:26 PM
#397
Senior Member
Originally Posted by init4fun
I took it as ;
Although in certain instances the FAA may choose to delegate the leg work to the local police ( Tha Po Po , if we go and bring Rap into it) , the choice is the FAA's and the FAA's alone as to whether they enlist that help or not. The locals can't just up and decide to enforce FAA regs on their own whim, thereby establishing the FAA's monopoly on the choice of who does what.
So there ya go, my best take on this poor beaten to death Horse's rotting corpse, ya'll have a good evening now, it's 5PM here and dinner awaits
Although in certain instances the FAA may choose to delegate the leg work to the local police ( Tha Po Po , if we go and bring Rap into it
) , the choice is the FAA's and the FAA's alone as to whether they enlist that help or not. The locals can't just up and decide to enforce FAA regs on their own whim, thereby establishing the FAA's monopoly on the choice of who does what.So there ya go, my best take on this poor beaten to death Horse's rotting corpse, ya'll have a good evening now, it's 5PM here and dinner awaits
you could fly there, would he have the authority to take your plane and gear if you refused to stop flying? (after dinner of course)
06-30-2022, 01:35 PM
#398
Originally Posted by ECHO24
Well, you're helping prop up the corpse. Be that as it may, if you were flying a model airplane with the 5 mile limit of an airport. and local cop came up said
you could fly there, would he have the authority to take your plane and gear if you refused to stop flying? (after dinner of course)
you could fly there, would he have the authority to take your plane and gear if you refused to stop flying? (after dinner of course)
Astro
06-30-2022, 02:05 PM
#399
Senior Member
Originally Posted by astrohog
What makes you think anyone wants to answer your questions, when you don't return the respect?
Astro
Astro
